icecat-52.3.0-gnu1 includes Google in search engines

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ng0 wrote on 17 Sep 2017 14:40
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Is this an upstream bug? Should we patch to remove Google?
I've just compared a completely new system (and Icecat profile)with my default profile, both include Google in search engines.
There's also Bing and Yahoo, I'm not sure if all 3 were presentbefore this version.-- ng0GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588GnuPG: https://krosos.org/dist/keys/https://www.infotropique.orghttps://www.krosos.org
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Mark H Weaver wrote on 18 Sep 2017 06:22
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ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:
Toggle quote (8 lines)> Is this an upstream bug? Should we patch to remove Google?>> I've just compared a completely new system (and Icecat profile)> with my default profile, both include Google in search engines.>> There's also Bing and Yahoo, I'm not sure if all 3 were present> before this version.
Why would it be considered a bug to give users the convenient option touse those search engines?
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ng0 wrote on 18 Sep 2017 09:11
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Mark H Weaver transcribed 0.4K bytes:
Toggle quote (17 lines)> Hi,> > ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:> > > Is this an upstream bug? Should we patch to remove Google?> >> > I've just compared a completely new system (and Icecat profile)> > with my default profile, both include Google in search engines.> >> > There's also Bing and Yahoo, I'm not sure if all 3 were present> > before this version.> > Why would it be considered a bug to give users the convenient option to> use those search engines?> > Mark
For example the branch of firefox which Parabola distributesmakes changes not to default to Google. People rarelychange defaults, so we should give the option to use Googlebut default to for example searx.me or duckduckgo.com.
I keep my configs in git and just pull them every time I setup a new system, so I wouldn't know if Icecat has alwaysincluded Google and the others.
Maybe my view on this problem (privacy issues) goes beyond ourguidelines?-- ng0GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588GnuPG: https://krosos.org/dist/keys/https://www.infotropique.orghttps://www.krosos.org
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Ludovic Courtès wrote on 18 Sep 2017 10:08
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ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> skribis:
Toggle quote (23 lines)> Mark H Weaver transcribed 0.4K bytes:>> Hi,>> >> ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:>> >> > Is this an upstream bug? Should we patch to remove Google?>> >>> > I've just compared a completely new system (and Icecat profile)>> > with my default profile, both include Google in search engines.>> >>> > There's also Bing and Yahoo, I'm not sure if all 3 were present>> > before this version.>> >> Why would it be considered a bug to give users the convenient option to>> use those search engines?>> >> Mark>> For example the branch of firefox which Parabola distributes> makes changes not to default to Google. People rarely> change defaults, so we should give the option to use Google> but default to for example searx.me or duckduckgo.com.
I sort-of agree with both of you. :-)
Using a centralized search engine, be it Google or DuckDuckGo or evensearx.me, is a threat to privacy. Of course the dominating position ofGoogle makes it worse than the others, but let’s not pretend the othersare white as snow.
Besides, this is a discussion to have with IceCat upstream IMO. There’snothing Guix-specific here. So I’d close this one as “wontfix”.
WDYT?
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ng0 wrote on 18 Sep 2017 11:06
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Ludovic Courtès transcribed 1.3K bytes:
Toggle quote (42 lines)> Hello,> > ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> skribis:> > > Mark H Weaver transcribed 0.4K bytes:> >> Hi,> >> > >> ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:> >> > >> > Is this an upstream bug? Should we patch to remove Google?> >> >> >> > I've just compared a completely new system (and Icecat profile)> >> > with my default profile, both include Google in search engines.> >> >> >> > There's also Bing and Yahoo, I'm not sure if all 3 were present> >> > before this version.> >> > >> Why would it be considered a bug to give users the convenient option to> >> use those search engines?> >> > >> Mark> >> > For example the branch of firefox which Parabola distributes> > makes changes not to default to Google. People rarely> > change defaults, so we should give the option to use Google> > but default to for example searx.me or duckduckgo.com.> > I sort-of agree with both of you. :-)> > Using a centralized search engine, be it Google or DuckDuckGo or even> searx.me, is a threat to privacy. Of course the dominating position of> Google makes it worse than the others, but let’s not pretend the others> are white as snow.> > Besides, this is a discussion to have with IceCat upstream IMO. There’s> nothing Guix-specific here. So I’d close this one as “wontfix”.> > WDYT?> > Ludo’.>
I agree. I'll take this upstream soon.-- ng0GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588GnuPG: https://krosos.org/dist/keys/https://www.infotropique.orghttps://www.krosos.org
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Mark H Weaver wrote on 18 Sep 2017 19:12
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ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:
Toggle quote (20 lines)> Mark H Weaver transcribed 0.4K bytes:>> >> ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:>> >> > Is this an upstream bug? Should we patch to remove Google?>> >>> > I've just compared a completely new system (and Icecat profile)>> > with my default profile, both include Google in search engines.>> >>> > There's also Bing and Yahoo, I'm not sure if all 3 were present>> > before this version.>> >> Why would it be considered a bug to give users the convenient option to>> use those search engines?>> >> Mark>> For example the branch of firefox which Parabola distributes> makes changes not to default to Google.
Among the changes that GNU IceCat makes to Firefox ESR: it makesDuckDuckGo the default search engine. Last I checked, that was indeedthe case for our IceCat package. Do you have reason to believeotherwise?
Toggle quote (3 lines)> People rarely change defaults, so we should give the option to use> Google but default to for example searx.me or duckduckgo.com.
Agreed, and I think that's exactly what IceCat does. Please let me knowif you think I'm mistaken about that.
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ng0 wrote on 18 Sep 2017 19:25
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Mark H Weaver transcribed 1.1K bytes:
Toggle quote (27 lines)> ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:> > > Mark H Weaver transcribed 0.4K bytes:> >> > >> ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:> >> > >> > Is this an upstream bug? Should we patch to remove Google?> >> >> >> > I've just compared a completely new system (and Icecat profile)> >> > with my default profile, both include Google in search engines.> >> >> >> > There's also Bing and Yahoo, I'm not sure if all 3 were present> >> > before this version.> >> > >> Why would it be considered a bug to give users the convenient option to> >> use those search engines?> >> > >> Mark> >> > For example the branch of firefox which Parabola distributes> > makes changes not to default to Google.> > Among the changes that GNU IceCat makes to Firefox ESR: it makes> DuckDuckGo the default search engine. Last I checked, that was indeed> the case for our IceCat package. Do you have reason to believe> otherwise?
With a completely new system (had to set this up for testing Mate)and guix package -i icecat (for the recent release) and no pre-existingconfiguration, the default was Google, not DuckDuckGo.
Toggle quote (9 lines)> > People rarely change defaults, so we should give the option to use> > Google but default to for example searx.me or duckduckgo.com.> > Agreed, and I think that's exactly what IceCat does. Please let me know> if you think I'm mistaken about that.> > Mark>
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Ludovic Courtès wrote on 18 Sep 2017 22:10
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Mark H Weaver wrote on 18 Sep 2017 23:18
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Re: bug#28479: icecat-52.3.0-gnu1 includes Google in search engines
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ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:
Toggle quote (32 lines)> Mark H Weaver transcribed 1.1K bytes:>> ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:>> >> > Mark H Weaver transcribed 0.4K bytes:>> >> >> >> ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:>> >> >> >> > Is this an upstream bug? Should we patch to remove Google?>> >> >>> >> > I've just compared a completely new system (and Icecat profile)>> >> > with my default profile, both include Google in search engines.>> >> >>> >> > There's also Bing and Yahoo, I'm not sure if all 3 were present>> >> > before this version.>> >> >> >> Why would it be considered a bug to give users the convenient option to>> >> use those search engines?>> >> >> >> Mark>> >>> > For example the branch of firefox which Parabola distributes>> > makes changes not to default to Google.>> >> Among the changes that GNU IceCat makes to Firefox ESR: it makes>> DuckDuckGo the default search engine. Last I checked, that was indeed>> the case for our IceCat package. Do you have reason to believe>> otherwise?>> With a completely new system (had to set this up for testing Mate)> and guix package -i icecat (for the recent release) and no pre-existing> configuration, the default was Google, not DuckDuckGo.
On my GuixSD system, I just tried the following:
* Quit IceCat, and wait for the process to really be gone.* Move ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla-OLD.* Restart IceCat.
and I found that DuckDuckGo was the default search engine.
I'm not sure what you did, but I suspect that you had a ~/.mozilladirectory in place where Google was configured to be the default searchengine.
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Mark H Weaver wrote on 29 Sep 2017 05:52
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Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> writes:
Toggle quote (18 lines)> ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:>>> With a completely new system (had to set this up for testing Mate)>> and guix package -i icecat (for the recent release) and no pre-existing>> configuration, the default was Google, not DuckDuckGo.>> On my GuixSD system, I just tried the following:>> * Quit IceCat, and wait for the process to really be gone.> * Move ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla-OLD.> * Restart IceCat.>> and I found that DuckDuckGo was the default search engine.>> I'm not sure what you did, but I suspect that you had a ~/.mozilla> directory in place where Google was configured to be the default search> engine.
Any response to this, ng0? Do you still believe that Google is thedefault search engine for our IceCat package?
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ng0 wrote on 29 Sep 2017 11:57
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Toggle quote (26 lines)> Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> writes:> > > ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:> >> >> With a completely new system (had to set this up for testing Mate)> >> and guix package -i icecat (for the recent release) and no pre-existing> >> configuration, the default was Google, not DuckDuckGo.> >> > On my GuixSD system, I just tried the following:> >> > * Quit IceCat, and wait for the process to really be gone.> > * Move ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla-OLD.> > * Restart IceCat.> >> > and I found that DuckDuckGo was the default search engine.> >> > I'm not sure what you did, but I suspect that you had a ~/.mozilla> > directory in place where Google was configured to be the default search> > engine.> > Any response to this, ng0? Do you still believe that Google is the> default search engine for our IceCat package?> > Mark>
I was busy and haven't forgotten about this. So:What I reported was on a new install from scratch.When I simply rename my .mozilla and start icecat so that a newprofile is created, I get DuckDuckGo.Let's just close this, I have no idea what happened on the previousinstall.-- ng0GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588GnuPG: https://krosos.org/dist/keys/https://www.infotropique.orghttps://krosos.org
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