Ludovic Courtès (2015-11-21 23:10 +0300) wrote:
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> Alex Kost <firstname.lastname@example.org> skribis:
>> Ludovic Courtès (2015-11-21 11:57 +0300) wrote:
>>> Alex Kost <email@example.com> skribis:
>>>> Ludovic Courtès (2015-11-20 01:32 +0300) wrote:
>>>>> -# Load the system profile's settings.
>>>>> +if [ -x /run/current-system/profile/bin/guix ]
>>>>> + # Crucial variables such as 'MANPATH' or 'INFOPATH' may be missing from the
>>>>> + # profiles' individual 'etc/profile'. Thus, combine both profiles when
>>>>> + # computing the search paths.
>>>>> + #
>>>>> + # This may take a few hundred milliseconds, but it's OK because this is
>>>>> + # performed for log-in shells only.
>>>>> + eval `/run/current-system/profile/bin/guix package \\
>>>>> + -p /run/current-system/profile \\
>>>>> + -p \"$HOME/.guix-profile\" --search-paths`
>>>> Sorry, but it's not OK for me. As a user, I'm *strongly* against
>>>> running 'guix' (or any other program) in /etc/profile.
>>> Why? (Honest question.)
>> At first, because of the slowdown: it may be a few hundred milliseconds
>> for you, but it's several seconds for me.
> Really? Can you show the output of:
> time guix package -p /run/current-system/profile \
> -p ~/.guix-profile --search-paths
Of course, on the second run the real time reduces (for me it's about
0.5), as HDD already "knows" what I want, but since it is for login
shell, it will always be 2-3 seconds because of HDD.
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>> But actually, even if it was several milliseconds, I still wouldn't
>> like it, as (IMHO) /etc/profile should only set variables, and not run
>> external programs.
> I don’t buy this “principle”: /etc/profile is a program, and the output
> of --search-paths is trusted to contain only environment variable
Sure, it's just my opinion (OK, let call it "faith"): I consider running
external programs in "/etc/profile" malicious.
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> In the discussion of this bug, we tried hard to avoid resorting to
> invoking a program, but ultimately no other solution came out.
I don't need a solution for this bug, I just want to have an option to
avoid invoking "guix package --search-paths" in my "/etc/profile".
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>>>> I would really like to have an option to avoid this. Is it possible?
>>> Not that I know of. Please read <http://bugs.gnu.org/20255>.
>> What about making some environment variable which will be honored by
>> 'operating-system-etc-service' procedure. So depending on this variable
>> that 'eval ...' command will or will not be added to "/etc/profile"
>> during 'guix system ...' process.
>> For example, when I do:
>> GUIX_IGNORE_SYSTEM_PROFILE_ENV=1 guix system build my-config.scm
>> the "etc/profile" of the built system will not contain those 'eval ...'
>> lines. WDYT?
> This would be unreasonable. We’re talking about a basic feature here.
> If basic features are broken to the point that we prefer to offer ways
> to bypass them, and have a semi-broken system, then there’s a problem,
Sorry, but I would really like to bypass this feature, as I don't like
it. For me, what you suggest sounds: «We'll not give a freedom to a
user to disable this feature, because we know better what is good for
him/her». All I ask is to give me such a freedom.
Using --search-paths with several profiles is a great feature (thank you
for it!) and I like it, but consider the following use-case: for some
reason I like to manage several profiles instead of a single
"~/.guix-profile", so I can put:
eval `guix package -p /run/current-system/profile \
-p ~/.guix-profile \
-p ~/my-guix-profiles/foo \
-p ~/my-guix-profiles/bar \
in my "~/.bash_profile". So I don't like to have the same command but
only for 2 profiles in my "/etc/profile". Please, give me an option to
disable this feature.