[PATCH] gnu: guile: Update to 3.0.10.

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Thompson, David wrote on 18 Jul 22:16 +0200
(name . Ryan Prior via Guix-patches)(address . guix-patches@gnu.org)
CAJ=RwfYdQbbUqCLt5A69t2Dsr1kj-JE_J9j4_B+iJOvDgNGORQ@mail.gmail.com
I thought this would be an easy upgrade, but it seems that it will
cause a lot of churn. 'guix refresh' says:

Building the following 1640 packages would ensure 3146 dependent
packages are rebuilt

I believe this is because Shepherd is built against guile-3.0-latest,
and elogind depends on Shepherd.

Guix *should* be in a position to get fresh Guile builds quickly, but
I guess this process will be slow until the guile-3.0 package can be
upgraded to 3.0.10 (which will require a world rebuild) at which point
Shepherd can return to using guile-3.0.

There's a lot of compiler improvements and bug fixes in 3.0.10, so it
would be nice to have this update land soon. After this, I can update
guile-hoot depend on it rather than guile-next. Several other packages
depending on guile-next could also be upgraded to use guile-3.0-latest
instead, such as guile-ares-rs.

Who can help me "shepherd" this upgrade? ;)

Thanks,

- Dave
From f6c6486dab767ba50c4c2ffbb55f10bbf4ee1000 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Message-ID: <f6c6486dab767ba50c4c2ffbb55f10bbf4ee1000.1721332994.git.dthompson2@worcester.edu>
From: David Thompson <dthompson2@worcester.edu>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 14:54:20 -0400
Subject: [PATCH] gnu: guile: Update to 3.0.10.

* gnu/packages/guile.scm (guile-3.0-latest): Update to 3.0.10.

Change-Id: Id9d58199f1fa3307c94f442c185307d2f4a9ce6f
---
gnu/packages/guile.scm | 14 ++++++++++++--
1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

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diff --git a/gnu/packages/guile.scm b/gnu/packages/guile.scm
index e8705dc7d2..077b7b7d37 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/guile.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/guile.scm
@@ -322,7 +322,6 @@ (define-public guile-2.2.4
"07p3g0v2ba2vlfbfidqzlgbhnzdx46wh2rgc5gszq1mjyx5bks6r"))))))
(define-public guile-3.0
- ;; This is the latest Guile stable version.
(package
(inherit guile-2.2)
(name "guile")
@@ -438,7 +437,18 @@ (define-public guile-3.0
(files '("lib/guile/3.0/site-ccache"
"share/guile/site/3.0")))))))
-(define-public guile-3.0-latest guile-3.0)
+(define-public guile-3.0-latest
+ ;; This is the latest Guile stable version.
+ (package
+ (inherit guile-3.0)
+ (version "3.0.10")
+ (source (origin
+ (inherit (package-source guile-3.0))
+ (uri (string-append "mirror://gnu/guile/guile-"
+ version ".tar.xz"))
+ (sha256
+ (base32
+ "1233wzcbiqhp5qr3ggag14s5d4i7cn0spxyl8qs369nmgx8nhwdx"))))))
;;; The symbol guile-3.0/fixed should be used when guile-3.0 needs fixes
;;; (security or else) and this deprecation could be removed.

base-commit: e3dfed59d39ac60dd2e2b9ef9f4ef63a2a081f41
--
2.41.0
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Thompson, David wrote on 18 Jul 22:49 +0200
[PATCH] gnu: shepherd 0.9: Switch from guile-3.0-latest to guile-3.0.
(address . 72183@debbugs.gnu.org)
CAJ=Rwfa7Mxycv0GVcRbPnbnNK9G=KrNDNOL7DQA9WwAXScsiMw@mail.gmail.com
Thanks to Efraim for pointing out that we could simply switch Shepherd
to refer to guile-3.0 instead of guile-3.0-latest. The attached patch
does this.

Now updating guile-3.0-latest causes much less churn:

Building the following 23 packages would ensure 47 dependent packages
are rebuilt: guile-studio@0.1.1-1.dd0ad42 guile-chickadee@0.10.0
guile-gemini@0.1 guile-openai@0.2-1.751cd5d guile-newra@0-0.266e72e
haunt@0.3.0 guile-bash@0.1.6-0.1eabc56 lokke@0.0.0-1.92d3637
swineherd@0.0.4 cuirass@1.2.0-6.0eaf7b6 emacs-guix@0.5.2-7.455272c
guile-imanifest@0.0.0-0.ccd5a21 cl-ospm@0.0.2 guix-jupyter@0.2.2
guix-build-coordinator-agent-only@0-109.406db8a
nar-herder@0-37.82f9371 guix-minimal@1.4.0-23.843b85c gwl@0.5.1
gwl-next@0.5.0-1.706a089 guix-modules@0.1.0
guix-daemon@1.4.0-23.843b85c bffe@0-6.7df2aa6 hpcguix-web@0.4.1

- Dave
From 76c82888fefcef1226c6d18a4cf790d5e02d1c32 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Message-ID: <76c82888fefcef1226c6d18a4cf790d5e02d1c32.1721335570.git.dthompson2@worcester.edu>
From: David Thompson <dthompson2@worcester.edu>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 16:43:32 -0400
Subject: [PATCH] gnu: shepherd 0.9: Switch from guile-3.0-latest to guile-3.0.

* gnu/packages/admin.scm (shepherd-0.9)[native-inputs]: Use guile-3.0.
[inputs]: Ditto.

Change-Id: I7f7efabc43e11e413300c6aa4c22919070d22389
---
gnu/packages/admin.scm | 6 ++----
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)

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diff --git a/gnu/packages/admin.scm b/gnu/packages/admin.scm
index ae0637fd2c..cf9693ac25 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/admin.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/admin.scm
@@ -385,11 +385,9 @@ (define-public shepherd-0.9
"/lib/guile/3.0/site-ccache"))))))
#~%standard-phases)))
- ;; Note: Use 'guile-3.0-latest' to address the continuation-related memory
- ;; leak reported at <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/58631>.
- (native-inputs (list pkg-config guile-3.0-latest
+ (native-inputs (list pkg-config guile-3.0
guile-fibers-1.1)) ;for cross-compilation
- (inputs (list guile-3.0-latest guile-fibers-1.1))))
+ (inputs (list guile-3.0 guile-fibers-1.1))))
(define-public shepherd-0.10
(package

base-commit: e3dfed59d39ac60dd2e2b9ef9f4ef63a2a081f41
--
2.41.0
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Ludovic Courtès wrote on 19 Jul 18:32 +0200
Re: [bug#72183] [PATCH] gnu: guile: Update to 3.0.10.
(name . Thompson, David)(address . dthompson2@worcester.edu)(address . 72183@debbugs.gnu.org)
87zfqds5pv.fsf@gnu.org
"Thompson, David" <dthompson2@worcester.edu> skribis:

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> From f6c6486dab767ba50c4c2ffbb55f10bbf4ee1000 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> Message-ID: <f6c6486dab767ba50c4c2ffbb55f10bbf4ee1000.1721332994.git.dthompson2@worcester.edu>
> From: David Thompson <dthompson2@worcester.edu>
> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 14:54:20 -0400
> Subject: [PATCH] gnu: guile: Update to 3.0.10.
>
> * gnu/packages/guile.scm (guile-3.0-latest): Update to 3.0.10.
>
> Change-Id: Id9d58199f1fa3307c94f442c185307d2f4a9ce6f

> From 76c82888fefcef1226c6d18a4cf790d5e02d1c32 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> Message-ID: <76c82888fefcef1226c6d18a4cf790d5e02d1c32.1721335570.git.dthompson2@worcester.edu>
> From: David Thompson <dthompson2@worcester.edu>
> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 16:43:32 -0400
> Subject: [PATCH] gnu: shepherd 0.9: Switch from guile-3.0-latest to guile-3.0.
>
> * gnu/packages/admin.scm (shepherd-0.9)[native-inputs]: Use guile-3.0.
> [inputs]: Ditto.
>
> Change-Id: I7f7efabc43e11e413300c6aa4c22919070d22389

LGTM. (Commit the Shepherd patch first.)

Thank you! :-)

Ludo’.
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Thompson, David wrote on 19 Jul 19:09 +0200
(name . Ludovic Courtès)(address . ludo@gnu.org)(address . 72183-done@debbugs.gnu.org)
CAJ=RwfYtEZf9zNSbhicaQ0Tacnss1373QBnS_TmhhgbN2CkNdw@mail.gmail.com
On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 12:32?PM Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
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>
> LGTM. (Commit the Shepherd patch first.)

Pushed! Thanks for the review!

- Dave
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Ludovic Courtès wrote on 19 Jul 22:18 +0200
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reopen 72183
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Ludovic Courtès wrote on 19 Jul 22:40 +0200
Re: [bug#72183] [PATCH] gnu: guile: Update to 3.0.10.
(name . Thompson, David)(address . dthompson2@worcester.edu)(address . 72183@debbugs.gnu.org)
874j8lru82.fsf@gnu.org
Hey,

I temporarily reverted the commits that upgrade Guile and adjust Hoot in
31244f5cefae4c14a1a5d441dc3b3626b5f32abc so we can investigate the issue
below (which broke ‘guix pull’) without pressure.

Turns out ‘guile-3.0-latest’ is used to build Guix itself (via ‘guix
pull’, but also the ‘guix’ package) and this cause a failure of
guix-cli-core.drv:

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error: failed to compile 'guix/scripts/authenticate.scm':

In language/tree-il/peval.scm:
1558:45 19 (loop _ _ _ value)
In srfi/srfi-1.scm:
586:17 18 (map1 (#<tree-il (call (@ (guile) format) (const #f) (const "(signature ~a ~a ~a)") (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical data t1416)) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) sign) (lexical data t1416) (lexical secret-key t1418))) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical public-key t1420)))>))
In language/tree-il/peval.scm:
1558:45 17 (loop _ _ _ value)
In srfi/srfi-1.scm:
586:29 16 (map1 (#<tree-il (const #f)> #<tree-il (const "(signature ~a ~a ~a)")> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical data t1416))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) sign) (lexical data t1416) (lexical secret-key t1418)))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical public-key t1420))>))
586:29 15 (map1 (#<tree-il (const "(signature ~a ~a ~a)")> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical data t1416))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) sign) (lexical data t1416) (lexical secret-key t1418)))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical public-key t1420))>))
586:17 14 (map1 (#<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical data t1416))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) sign) (lexical data t1416) (lexical secret-key t1418)))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical public-key t1420))>))
In language/tree-il/peval.scm:

error: failed to compile 'guix/scripts/publish.scm':

In language/tree-il/peval.scm:
1558:45 13 (loop _ _ _ value)
In srfi/srfi-1.scm:
586:17 12 (map1 (#<tree-il (lexical data t1416)>))
In language/tree-il/peval.scm:
1558:45 19 (loop _ _ _ values)
In srfi/srfi-1.scm:
586:17 18 (map1 (#<tree-il (call (@ (guile) format) (const #f) (const "(signature ~a ~a ~a)") (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical data t6047)) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) sign) (lexical data t6047) (lexical secret-key t6048))) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical public-key t6049)))>))
In language/tree-il/peval.scm:
887:11 11 (loop _ _ #<<counter> effort: #<variable 7fffe74eca90 value: 484> size: #<variable 7fffe74eca80 value: 20> continuation: #<procedure abort ()> recursive?: #t data: #<tree-il (lambda ((name . signature-sexp)) (lambda-case (((data secret-key public-key) #f #f #f () (t1416 t1418 t1420)) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) string->canonical-sexp) (call (@ (guile) format) (const #f) (const "(signature ~a ~a ~a)") (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical data t1416)) (cal?> ?)
371:20 10 (visit-operand #<<operand> var: #<<var> name: data gensym: data-ae6ce62b6fb2770-3a7 refcount: 1 set?: #f> sym: #{data 1412}# visit: #<procedure 7fffecafb040 at language/tree-il/peval.scm:1011:40 (exp counter ctx)> source: #<tree-il (primcall values (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) bytevector->hash-data) (lexical sha256 sha256-ae6ce62b6fb2770-39d) (const #:key-type) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) key-type) (lexical public-key public-key-ae6ce62b6fb2770-39b))))> visit-count: 1 use-count:?> ?)

1558:45 17 (loop _ _ _ value)
In srfi/srfi-1.scm:
586:29 16 (map1 (#<tree-il (const #f)> #<tree-il (const "(signature ~a ~a ~a)")> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical data t6047))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) sign) (lexical data t6047) (lexical secret-key t6048)))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical public-key t6049))>))
586:29 15 (map1 (#<tree-il (const "(signature ~a ~a ~a)")> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical data t6047))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) sign) (lexical data t6047) (lexical secret-key t6048)))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical public-key t6049))>))
586:17 14 (map1 (#<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical data t6047))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) sign) (lexical data t6047) (lexical secret-key t6048)))> #<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->string) (lexical public-key t6049))>))
In language/tree-il/peval.scm:
1319:22 9 (loop _ #<vhash 7fffecafb0a0 92 pairs> #<<counter> effort: #<variable 7fffe74eca90 value: 484> size: #<variable 7fffe74eca80 value: 20> continuation: #<procedure abort ()> recursive?: #t data: #<tree-il (lambda ((name . signature-sexp)) (lambda-case (((data secret-key public-key) #f #f #f () (t1416 t1418 t1420)) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) string->canonical-sexp) (call (@ (guile) format) (const #f) (const "(signature ~a ~a ~a)") (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) canonical-sexp->strin?> ?)
In srfi/srfi-1.scm:
586:17 8 (map1 (#<tree-il (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) bytevector->hash-data) (lexical sha256 sha256-ae6ce62b6fb2770-39d) (const #:key-type) (call (@ (gcrypt pk-crypto) key-type) (lexical public-key public-key-ae6ce62b6fb2770-39b)))>))
In language/tree-il/peval.scm:
1558:45 13 (loop _ _ _ value)
In srfi/srfi-1.scm:
586:17 12 (map1 (#<tree-il (lexical data t6047)>))
In language/tree-il/peval.scm:
1762:18 7 (loop _ _ _ _)
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
1676:22 6 (raise-exception _ #:continuable? _)
1676:22 5 (raise-exception _ #:continuable? _)
1802:13 4 (_ #<&compound-exception components: (#<&error> #<&origin origin: #f> #<&message message: "internal error: unexpected kwarg syms ~S ~S"> #<&irritants irritants: (((#:key-type key-type #f)) (t1441))> #<&exception-with-kind-and-args kind: misc-error args: (#f "internal error: unexpected kwarg syms ~S ~S" (((#:key-type key-type #f)) (t1441)) #f)>)>)
In guix/build/compile.scm:
191:6 3
[ 36/ 50] compiling... 44.0% of 25 files(_ misc-error #f "internal error: unexpected kwarg syms ~S ~S" (((#:key-type key-type #f)) (t1441)) #f)
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
1749:15 2 (with-exception-handler #<procedure 7fffec498f30 at ice-9/boot-9.scm:1853:7 (exn)> _ #:unwind? _ #:unwind-for-type _)
In guix/build/compile.scm:
194:21 1 (_)
In unknown file:
0 (make-stack #t)
guix/build/compile.scm:194:21: internal error: unexpected kwarg syms ((#:key-type key-type #f)) (t1441)

[ 38/ 50] compiling... 52.0% of 25 files
[ 38/ 50] compiling... 52.0% of 25 files
[ 39/ 50] compiling... 56.0% of 25 files
[ 40/ 50] compiling... 60.0% of 25 filesbuilder for `/gnu/store/w9yvw8972xns0j3j36lg4lbyqv5m2f25-guix-cli-core.drv' failed with exit code 1

[ 41/ 50] compiling... 64.0% of 25 files
[ 42/ 50] compiling... 68.0% of 25 filesderivation '/gnu/store/w9yvw8972xns0j3j36lg4lbyqv5m2f25-guix-cli-core.drv' offloaded to '141.80.167.177' failed: build of `/gnu/store/w9yvw8972xns0j3j36lg4lbyqv5m2f25-guix-cli-core.drv' failed

[ 43/ 50] compiling... 72.0% of 25 files
[ 44/ 50] compiling... 76.0% of 25 files
[ 45/ 50] compiling... 80.0% of 25 files
[ 46/ 50] compiling... 84.0% of 25 files
[ 47/ 50] compiling... 88.0% of 25 files
[ 48/ 50] compiling... 92.0% of 25 files
[ 49/ 50] compiling... 96.0% of 25 filescannot build derivation `/gnu/store/9wyflvlskm5s5043zrrivfv3mv58n1vw-guix-cli-core-modules.drv': 1 dependencies couldn't be built
cannot build derivation `/gnu/store/ych1s7kdksq08rzd1m6ddkpp7x8pw56x-guix-cli.drv': 1 dependencies couldn't be built

be more readable.)

The expressions leading to this internal compiler error are:

(bytevector->hash-data (sha256 (string->utf8 s))
#:key-type (key-type public-key))

and:

(bytevector->hash-data sha256
#:key-type (key-type public-key))

This sounds like a compiler bug, possibly related to Guile commit
f95bf6921e13799abca6a0a13087609c42baba6b.

Note that ‘bytevector->hash-data’ comes from Guile-Gcrypt, which was
itself still compiled with 3.0.9. So there’s a possibility that the bug
comes with this particular combination as is exhibited by cross-module
inlining.

To be continued…

Ludo’.
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Thompson, David wrote on 20 Jul 00:07 +0200
(name . Ludovic Courtès)(address . ludo@gnu.org)(address . 72183@debbugs.gnu.org)
CAJ=RwfZ9WWpJ6DCPVKR_A_maVsuiWzxuiDFspRwzJK1qp5ULKg@mail.gmail.com
Hey Ludo,

On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 4:40?PM Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
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>
> Hey,
>
> I temporarily reverted the commits that upgrade Guile and adjust Hoot in
> 31244f5cefae4c14a1a5d441dc3b3626b5f32abc so we can investigate the issue
> below (which broke ‘guix pull’) without pressure.

Oh no, sorry! I ran 'guix pull' after pushing these commits and didn't
experience issues so I thought all was well. :(

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> Turns out ‘guile-3.0-latest’ is used to build Guix itself (via ‘guix
> pull’, but also the ‘guix’ package) and this cause a failure of
> guix-cli-core.drv:

How about using guile-3.0 for Guix so that future Guile updates can be
done without fear?

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> The expressions leading to this internal compiler error are:
>
> (bytevector->hash-data (sha256 (string->utf8 s))
> #:key-type (key-type public-key))
>
> and:
>
> (bytevector->hash-data sha256
> #:key-type (key-type public-key))
>
> This sounds like a compiler bug, possibly related to Guile commit
> f95bf6921e13799abca6a0a13087609c42baba6b.
>
> Note that ‘bytevector->hash-data’ comes from Guile-Gcrypt, which was
> itself still compiled with 3.0.9. So there’s a possibility that the bug
> comes with this particular combination as is exhibited by cross-module
> inlining.

Yup, that certainly sounds like what is happening here. Cross-module
inlining + the new keyword args optimization.

Sorry for breaking 'guix pull'. I thought I had scoped the changes
down to a safe level. :(

- Dave
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Ludovic Courtès wrote 6 days ago
(name . Thompson, David)(address . dthompson2@worcester.edu)(address . 72183@debbugs.gnu.org)
87le0bcmbs.fsf@gnu.org
Hi David,

"Thompson, David" <dthompson2@worcester.edu> skribis:

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> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 4:40?PM Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I temporarily reverted the commits that upgrade Guile and adjust Hoot in
>> 31244f5cefae4c14a1a5d441dc3b3626b5f32abc so we can investigate the issue
>> below (which broke ‘guix pull’) without pressure.
>
> Oh no, sorry! I ran 'guix pull' after pushing these commits and didn't
> experience issues so I thought all was well. :(

No worries, I didn’t expect that either.

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>> Turns out ‘guile-3.0-latest’ is used to build Guix itself (via ‘guix
>> pull’, but also the ‘guix’ package) and this cause a failure of
>> guix-cli-core.drv:
>
> How about using guile-3.0 for Guix so that future Guile updates can be
> done without fear?

We can do that, though I like the idea of following Guile closely.

[...]

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>> Note that ‘bytevector->hash-data’ comes from Guile-Gcrypt, which was
>> itself still compiled with 3.0.9. So there’s a possibility that the bug
>> comes with this particular combination as is exhibited by cross-module
>> inlining.
>
> Yup, that certainly sounds like what is happening here. Cross-module
> inlining + the new keyword args optimization.

I came up with a reduced test case and reported it here:


Another problem I had forgotten is that Guile current ‘main’ and 3.0.10
fails to build on 32-bit platforms:


The best course of action might be to release 3.0.11 with bug fixes for
at least these two things. WDYT?

In the meantime, I keep using the Guile channel, which works well for me:

(channel
(name 'guile)
(branch "main"))

Ludo’.
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