endless "try upgrading both" cycles

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Arne Babenhauserheide
Danny Milosavljevic
Diego Nicola Barbato
Ludovic Courtès
Mark H Weaver

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Submitted by: Arne Babenhauserheide

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Arne Babenhauserheide wrote on 27 Oct 2019 10:54

Recipients:(address . bug-guix@gnu.org)

Message-ID:87r22yldiv.fsf@web.de

Hi,

When installing a package while some packages are not up to date, guix

can require adding more and more packages to guix install:

$ LANG=C guix install gtk+ dbus dbus-c++ dbus-glib glib libsoup rest libnotify poppler pcre libffi

The following packages will be upgraded:

dbus 1.12.12 -> 1.12.16 /gnu/store/nlb24nrrrkn2h9vflnqigcf2hx58rvyx-dbus-1.12.16

dbus-c++ 0.9.0 -> 0.9.0 /gnu/store/f67vzh5hp4jd2y34hiz8jdd9wymv1j8x-dbus-c++-0.9.0

dbus-glib 0.108 -> 0.108 /gnu/store/0riy07j7njqf2avcr9n5asrdxapd2np4-dbus-glib-0.108

glib 2.56.3 -> 2.60.6 /gnu/store/fbnpd7vjifm6ijyij4hi18mnsnf76983-glib-2.60.6

libsoup 2.66.2 -> 2.68.2 /gnu/store/pabg3nkgmxg5cglimz7fklnk4n4dypb1-libsoup-2.68.2

rest 0.8.1 -> 0.8.1 /gnu/store/xpvpfhf93rz4jkvi9pp2p5cvh4jcbv1h-rest-0.8.1

libnotify 0.7.7 -> 0.7.7 /gnu/store/djpm5rvn35aaasfsgh7y3kqis71av5fy-libnotify-0.7.7

poppler 0.72.0 -> 0.79.0 /gnu/store/8xysjsr4nh72m4334vff987x52pxyfmn-poppler-0.79.0

pcre 8.42 -> 8.43 /gnu/store/5j6w0x3aq0i5r9565w92lrh016vlmv2d-pcre-8.43

libffi 3.2.1 -> 3.2.1 /gnu/store/ain96mrdwqd4s9shdd3s7m4syp5icdx5-libffi-3.2.1

The following package will be installed:

gtk+ 3.24.10 /gnu/store/6x13nr57i1qml20kjl30l7b767cw0d0b-gtk+-3.24.10

guix install: error: profile contains conflicting entries for util-linux

guix install: error: first entry: util-linux@2.34 /gnu/store/xymkwf57x988q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34

guix install: error: ... propagated from glib@2.60.6

guix install: error: ... propagated from poppler@0.79.0

guix install: error: second entry: util-linux@2.32.1 /gnu/store/8k4pnixpz73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1

hint: Try upgrading both `poppler' and `util-linux', or remove one of them from the profile.

Since Guix already knows about these requirements, it would be great if

I could tell it to just pull in all additional updates to be able to

install the package. Or at least tell me about all the required upgrades

in one step. Something like

guix install: error: profile contains conflicting entries

guix install: error: conflict N: util-linux

guix install: error: first entry: util-linux@2.34 /gnu/store/xymkwf57x988q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34

guix install: error: ... propagated from glib@2.60.6

guix install: error: ... propagated from poppler@0.79.0

guix install: error: second entry: util-linux@2.32.1 /gnu/store/8k4pnixpz73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1

guix install: error: conflict N+1: util-linux

guix install: error: first entry: util-linux@2.34 /gnu/store/xymkwf57x988q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34

guix install: error: second entry: util-linux@2.32.1 /gnu/store/8k4pnixpz73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1

guix install: error: ... propagated from fontconfig@2.13.1

hint: Try upgrading removing dbus from the profile or upgrading all

dependent packages with

hint: guix install gtk+ dbus dbus-c++ dbus-glib glib libsoup rest libnotify poppler pcre libffi util-linux ...

Best wishes,

Arne

Unpolitisch sein

heißt politisch sein

ohne es zu merken

Mark H Weaver wrote on 27 Oct 2019 18:37

Recipients:(name . Arne Babenhauserheide)(address . arne_bab@web.de)(address . 37940@debbugs.gnu.org)

Message-ID:87v9saqeba.fsf@netris.org

Hi Arne,

Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de> writes:

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> When installing a package while some packages are not up to date, guix

> can require adding more and more packages to guix install:

[...]

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> guix install: error: profile contains conflicting entries for util-linux

> guix install: error: first entry: util-linux@2.34 /gnu/store/xymkwf57x988q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34

> guix install: error: ... propagated from glib@2.60.6

> guix install: error: ... propagated from poppler@0.79.0

> guix install: error: second entry: util-linux@2.32.1 /gnu/store/8k4pnixpz73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1

> hint: Try upgrading both `poppler' and `util-linux', or remove one of them from the profile.

I just wanted to briefly mention that if you use the "declarative
approach" to specifying user profiles, via the --manifest option to
"guix package", you will avoid this problem entirely.  I've been happily
using that approach for years, and I literally cannot remember the last
time I saw a "conflicting entries" message.  I heartily recommend it.

      Mark

Ludovic Courtès wrote on 27 Oct 2019 23:46

Recipients:(name . Mark H Weaver)(address . mhw@netris.org)

Message-ID:871ruxhkml.fsf@gnu.org

Hi Arne & Mark,

Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> skribis:

Toggle quote (17 lines)> Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de> writes:
>> When installing a package while some packages are not up to date, guix
>> can require adding more and more packages to guix install:
> [...]
>> guix install: error: profile contains conflicting entries for util-linux
>> guix install: error:   first entry: util-linux@2.34 /gnu/store/xymkwf57x988q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34
>> guix install: error:    ... propagated from glib@2.60.6
>> guix install: error:    ... propagated from poppler@0.79.0
>> guix install: error:   second entry: util-linux@2.32.1 /gnu/store/8k4pnixpz73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1
>> hint: Try upgrading both `poppler' and `util-linux', or remove one of them from the profile.
>
> I just wanted to briefly mention that if you use the "declarative
> approach" to specifying user profiles, via the --manifest option to
> "guix package", you will avoid this problem entirely.  I've been happily
> using that approach for years, and I literally cannot remember the last
> time I saw a "conflicting entries" message.  I heartily recommend it.

Indeed. Even if you don’t use the declarative approach, usually just

upgrade everything (“guix upgrade”) and you won’t have any problems

either.

Problems arise when you try to upgrade only part of the packages.

Now, it doesn’t sound right that ‘util-linux’ is propagated from glib

and from poppler…?

Ludo’.

Arne Babenhauserheide wrote on 28 Oct 2019 01:03

Recipients:(name . Ludovic Courtès)(address . ludo@gnu.org)

Message-ID:87a79l7n2z.fsf@web.de

Hi Mark and Ludovic,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

Toggle quote (20 lines)> Hi Arne & Mark,
>
> Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> skribis:
>> Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de> writes:
>>> When installing a package while some packages are not up to date, guix
>>> can require adding more and more packages to guix install:
>> [...]
>>> guix install: error: profile contains conflicting entries for util-linux
>>> guix install: error:   first entry: util-linux@2.34 /gnu/store/xymkwf57x988q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34
>>> guix install: error:    ... propagated from glib@2.60.6
>>> guix install: error:    ... propagated from poppler@0.79.0
>>> guix install: error:   second entry: util-linux@2.32.1 /gnu/store/8k4pnixpz73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1
>>> hint: Try upgrading both `poppler' and `util-linux', or remove one of them from the profile.
>>
>> I just wanted to briefly mention that if you use the "declarative
>> approach" to specifying user profiles, via the --manifest option to
>> "guix package", you will avoid this problem entirely.  I've been happily
>> using that approach for years, and I literally cannot remember the last
>> time I saw a "conflicting entries" message.  I heartily recommend it.

I’m just using guix install when I need a new package and guix remove

to clean up. Shouldn’t that be equivalent?

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> Indeed. Even if you don’t use the declarative approach, usually just

> upgrade everything (“guix upgrade”) and you won’t have any problems

> either.

> Problems arise when you try to upgrade only part of the packages.

This problem cuts in when the system is not fully up to date and I use

guix install.

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> Now, it doesn’t sound right that ‘util-linux’ is propagated from glib

> and from poppler…?

Poppler needs glib at runtime and glib needs tools from util-linux at
runtime?

Best wishes,
Arne
-- 
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Diego Nicola Barbato wrote on 30 Oct 2019 12:20

Recipients:(name . Ludovic Courtès)(address . ludo@gnu.org)

Message-ID:87y2x2iiof.fsf@GlaDOS.home

Hello Ludo,

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

[...]

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> Now, it doesn’t sound right that ‘util-linux’ is propagated from glib

> and from poppler…?

Glib propagates 'util-linux' since it was updated to 2.58.1 (and poppler

propagates glib). This isn't the first time it's caused trouble [0].

Marius has proposed a patch to fix it, which is intended for

'core-updates' (It hasn't been pushed yet AFAIK).

Regards,

Diego

[0]: http://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/37732

Danny Milosavljevic wrote on 31 Oct 2019 10:28

Recipients:(name . Arne Babenhauserheide)(address . arne_bab@web.de)

Message-ID:20191031102825.46a1c51e@scratchpost.org

Hi,

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 01:03:48 +0100

Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de> wrote:

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> > Now, it doesn’t sound right that ‘util-linux’ is propagated from glib

> > and from poppler…?

> Poppler needs glib at runtime and glib needs tools from util-linux at

> runtime?

That doesn't mean glib has to propagate the thing into the profile.

Quite the opposite, Guix is one of the few projects which rightly make the

distinction whether some dependency is an internal implementation detail of

a package or whether it's required in the public interface.

With glib's goal of abstracting stuff from UNIX away I seriously doubt they

intend util-*linux*, of all things, to be part of their public interface.

But you are right that Guix's glib propagates util-linux. That is most likely

a bug, or it's because of pkg-config files (which also could be solved another

way).

Checking glib-2.50.3, none of their pkg-config files (.pc) mention libmount,

so not sure what's going on.

glib-2.60.6 uses meson which apparently doesn't use pkg-config (?).

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