(address . bug-guix@gnu.org)
9251b0f558ee90be48420e76d7c4d326@riseup.net
Reason: it is used standalone to convert between formats.
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Cheers
Swedebugia
Rename ghc-pandoc to pandoc
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- Efraim Flashner
- Pierre Neidhardt
- Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
- Mike Gerwitz
- Ricardo Wurmus
- swedebugia
- zimoun
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(address . swedebugia@riseup.net)
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swedebugia@riseup.net writes:
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> Reason: it is used standalone to convert between formats.
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>> Reason: it is used standalone to convert between formats.
>
> I agree. What do other people think?
[Thumbs-up emoji]
Kind regards,
T G-R
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(name . Pierre Neidhardt)(address . mail@ambrevar.xyz)
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On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:06:30AM +0100, Pierre Neidhardt wrote:
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> swedebugia@riseup.net writes:
>
> > Reason: it is used standalone to convert between formats.
>
> I agree. What do other people think?
This is language specific, but like other language-specific packages
this is a package people would specifically search for as 'pandoc' and I
agree, it should be renamed.
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(name . Pierre Neidhardt)(address . mail@ambrevar.xyz)
87wo89imsx.fsf@elephly.net
Pierre Neidhardt <mail@ambrevar.xyz> writes:
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> swedebugia@riseup.net writes:
>
>> Reason: it is used standalone to convert between formats.
>
> I agree. What do other people think?
I agree.
We should also rename all uses of ghc-pandoc in the same patch.
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Ricardo
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(name . Ricardo Wurmus)(address . rekado@elephly.net)
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Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> writes:
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> We should also rename all uses of ghc-pandoc in the same patch.
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(name . Efraim Flashner)(address . efraim@flashner.co.il)
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On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:23:14 +0200, Efraim Flashner wrote:
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> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:06:30AM +0100, Pierre Neidhardt wrote:
>> swedebugia@riseup.net writes:
>>
>> > Reason: it is used standalone to convert between formats.
>>
>> I agree. What do other people think?
>
> This is language specific, but like other language-specific packages
> this is a package people would specifically search for as 'pandoc' and I
> agree, it should be renamed.
Ah, for the record, I had searched for pandoc using `guix package -s
pandoc` in the past and didn't find what I was looking for, and so fell
back to a Debian system. It turns out what I wanted was ghc-pandoc
after all.
But if I would have put a little bit more effort into looking, perhaps I
would have figured that out; I was in a hurry.
Thanks for making this change!
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Mike Gerwitz
Free Software Hacker+Activist | GNU Maintainer & Volunteer
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(name . Mike Gerwitz)(address . mtg@gnu.org)
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Hi Mike,
On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 02:23, Mike Gerwitz <mtg@gnu.org> wrote:
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> Ah, for the record, I had searched for pandoc using `guix package -s
> pandoc` in the past and didn't find what I was looking for, and so fell
> back to a Debian system. It turns out what I wanted was ghc-pandoc
> after all.
Thank you for pointing the issue.
My remark is *not* about the rename which seems fine. For the very
same reason than the "git-annex" software is named 'git-annex' and not
'ghc-git-annex'.
Well, your comment is pointing: a) that the description is badly
written and b) the 'relevance' score is too rough.
The command "guix search pandoc" returns as the highest ranked
package: ghc-pandoc-citeproc with the relevance score of 17. The
package of interest 'ghc-pandoc' appears at the 6th position with a
relevance score of 8. (And after emacs-pandoc-mode, ghc-pandoc-types,
emacs-ox-pandoc and python-pandocfilters; well less relevant packages,
IMO.)
Why? Because the number of occurrences of the term 'pandoc' in
synopsis+description+name.
ghc-pandoc-citeproc: 1+5+1
ghc-pandoc: 0+2+1
To be precise, the score uses weights and so it reads:
ghc-pandoc-citeproc: 3*1 + 2*5 + 4*1 = 17
ghc-pandoc: 3*0 + 2*2 + 4*1 = 8
And the rename bumps the score because there is an additional weight
(5) for exact match (which normally happens only for the 'name'
field).
ghc-pandoc-citeproc: 3*1 + 2*5 + 4*1 = 17
pandoc: 3*0 + 2*2 + 4*1*5 = 24
It apparently fixes the issue and now the package named 'pandoc' will
show up first. But it is an artefact because it is easy* to find other
weights that invalidate this expected ranking; and the current weights
are a working rule of thumbs but not deeply thought, AFAIK.
*For example instead of 5, let choose 2, then the score becomes:
3*0+2*2+4*1*2=12 which is less than 17. Well, not so easy because 2 is
the same as 'description' and it seems less natural; i.e., it appears
more natural to have a high weight for an exact match. But the point
is: it is possible to find another working rule of thumb which will
not return the expected result for all the packages.
The real problem is not the non-obvious name (ghc-pandoc instead of
simply pandoc) but it is: a) some descriptions are badly written and
b) the 'relevance' scoring function is not enough "smart" to detect
them.
All the best,
simon
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(name . zimoun)(address . zimon.toutoune@gmail.com)
87wo87e22d.fsf@gnu.org
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 14:10:15 +0100, zimoun wrote:
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> Well, your comment is pointing: a) that the description is badly
> written and b) the 'relevance' score is too rough.
[...]
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> The real problem is not the non-obvious name (ghc-pandoc instead of
> simply pandoc) but it is: a) some descriptions are badly written and
> b) the 'relevance' scoring function is not enough "smart" to detect
> them.
Thank you for taking the time to explain this.
--
Mike Gerwitz
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(name . Ricardo Wurmus)(address . rekado@elephly.net)
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Hi,
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 12:57, Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> wrote:
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> We should also rename all uses of ghc-pandoc in the same patch.
Commit d4e4a3824d380e576b56a74aa714db205fcc59a4 adds pandoc.
The packages:
- ruby-pandoc-ruby
- rapicorn
- ganeti
- manuskript
- emacs-org-web-tools
- emacs-ox-pandoc
do not use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc; I do not know if it matters or
if they need to also switch. More all Haskell packages in
haskell-xyz.scm.
Since ghc-pandoc is still here and even pandoc inherits from it, I
propose to close.
All the best,
simon
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(name . zimoun)(address . zimon.toutoune@gmail.com)
87y2lj53r9.fsf@elephly.net
zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> writes:
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> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 12:57, Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> wrote:
>
>> We should also rename all uses of ghc-pandoc in the same patch.
>
> Commit d4e4a3824d380e576b56a74aa714db205fcc59a4 adds pandoc.
>
> The packages:
>
> - ruby-pandoc-ruby
> - rapicorn
> - ganeti
> - manuskript
> - emacs-org-web-tools
> - emacs-ox-pandoc
>
> do not use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc; I do not know if it matters or
> if they need to also switch. More all Haskell packages in
> haskell-xyz.scm.
If these packages only use the “pandoc” executable they should use the
“pandoc” package instead of “ghc-pandoc”. “ghc-pandoc” is only meant
for Haskell packages that use Pandoc as a library. This is a much rarer
case, so we can assume that most packages should use “pandoc” instead of
“ghc-pandoc”.
--
Ricardo
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(name . Ricardo Wurmus)(address . rekado@elephly.net)
87o8le83a3.fsf@gmail.com
Dear,
On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 at 18:11, Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> wrote:
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> zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> writes:
>>> We should also rename all uses of ghc-pandoc in the same patch.
The packages: …
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>> - rapicorn
>> - ganeti
>> - manuskript
>> - emacs-org-web-tools
>> - emacs-ox-pandoc
>> - ruby-pandoc-ruby
… now uses ’pandoc’ instead of ’ghc-pandoc’, see:
c22c6de453 gnu: rapicorn: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
885332832c gnu: ganeti: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
5dc5a3116b gnu: manuskript: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
991c61678b gnu: emacs-org-web-tools: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
d37279ee1e gnu: emacs-ox-pandoc: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
8cc8e584ab gnu: ruby-pandoc-ruby: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
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> If these packages only use the “pandoc” executable they should use the
> “pandoc” package instead of “ghc-pandoc”. “ghc-pandoc” is only meant
> for Haskell packages that use Pandoc as a library. This is a much rarer
> case, so we can assume that most packages should use “pandoc” instead of
> “ghc-pandoc”.
The only non-Haskell package remaining is ’gnu/packages/mail.scm
(muchsync)’. Once this package is done (see #43848 [1]), we should be
able to close this bug, I guess.
All the best,
simon
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(name . Ricardo Wurmus)(address . rekado@elephly.net)
86sg82slup.fsf@gmail.com
On Wed, 07 Oct 2020 at 17:27, zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear,
>
> On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 at 18:11, Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> wrote:
>> zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>>> We should also rename all uses of ghc-pandoc in the same patch.
>
> The packages: …
>
>>> - rapicorn
>>> - ganeti
>>> - manuskript
>>> - emacs-org-web-tools
>>> - emacs-ox-pandoc
>>> - ruby-pandoc-ruby
>
> … now uses ’pandoc’ instead of ’ghc-pandoc’, see:
>
> c22c6de453 gnu: rapicorn: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
> 885332832c gnu: ganeti: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
> 5dc5a3116b gnu: manuskript: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
> 991c61678b gnu: emacs-org-web-tools: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
> d37279ee1e gnu: emacs-ox-pandoc: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
> 8cc8e584ab gnu: ruby-pandoc-ruby: Use pandoc instead of ghc-pandoc.
>
>
>> If these packages only use the “pandoc” executable they should use the
>> “pandoc” package instead of “ghc-pandoc”. “ghc-pandoc” is only meant
>> for Haskell packages that use Pandoc as a library. This is a much rarer
>> case, so we can assume that most packages should use “pandoc” instead of
>> “ghc-pandoc”.
>
> The only non-Haskell package remaining is ’gnu/packages/mail.scm
> (muchsync)’. Once this package is done (see #43848 [1]), we should be
> able to close this bug, I guess.
Closed
?