From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 12 08:26:05 2023 Received: (at 61894) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2023 12:26:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59376 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pbKm5-0004Ko-Bu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 08:26:05 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f46.google.com ([209.85.221.46]:36581) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pbKm3-0004KI-T4 for 61894@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 08:26:04 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f46.google.com with SMTP id l25so8935620wrb.3 for <61894@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 05:26:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1678623958; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=JdXitxh3I+URiE2ZwJVakJBMBwTbCHWGq5qU4LBYjXs=; b=LpmqM6BonOpg5z+ECOnY2CvWm/Kc2HZ8jHqMvVLoavNQGvoxFdU43z2/u7YR/WwND0 0OJpCJktnr2OZT5I7xns91tCzglGZBLBzHi8NIfwlpZJxBX3ZnlgDGqT60zFMdh72598 a4NUYJgNhhIkSAXTRbKO2wA6q/z721zlvBwr5xhhJ5M5e8U8LBK8GXQtQ72v5Jf66W0c G98PM1ABQnNDxx/ua3+chBpdZMPDP7rrdar8ZVBzjzdyx/AwVTEfJqmxUgfHgGmoZZ+N FMrUeM/wxMslrvMmr3Ibrgr654ZpHlhASF47BUYO6hsx0WAZYOKVhN7egGdUitvz/idC GENg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1678623958; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=JdXitxh3I+URiE2ZwJVakJBMBwTbCHWGq5qU4LBYjXs=; b=aspGQgNx6/oLghW73UYdLTSRPyzXetGVhKEfJvm7XKLKqDgFiVmfExoIYS4Wl8C/Dv 3QNeCPAgs1ov6J6htN1tGKse/+CPernlG8XttUzSHuvI66AvlMcYCv4ln3J9wwXXaqhq c7PANvjj+WlIm23Tt080/rU1zoHuEmJkOIXzDatH6fwSh0cBozsSWCgupqWJz3mmHUNX efwUt3U4pw35xOG8TTuvQOK5pZniD9kMu8kT4ibZqPIjPGW3o0KuHXlZu19m+stXYQAs dLZOjG3QUMh5HevUYf2EgaaCigQifNCSQPkdmyYuyj5XlKUjgVoP5iFnN8lFyXOSDAVS a88A== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUc9scnZRHGQZU1Ii4jq4pDpXJ0OhrmDxO+Cu8Gtxv3KrRkZRd0 CR7ImtaECdiwD5OvYaa1ryI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set8OPlgWc1xVf5yallEKUl0UwJVscs7RelFNeFpnZ4YqA0rxlF7gdNWWBeNAsovNkTCj3FNJOw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:ec11:0:b0:2ce:a773:1150 with SMTP id x17-20020adfec11000000b002cea7731150mr2499178wrn.6.1678623957806; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 05:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n25-20020a7bc5d9000000b003ecdbba95fdsm4624996wmk.23.2023.03.12.05.25.57 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 12 Mar 2023 05:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Tournier To: Maxim Cournoyer , Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: bug#61894: [PATCH RFC] Team approval for patches In-Reply-To: <87356ar6p1.fsf@gmail.com> References: <878rgga1qv.fsf@inria.fr> <871qm8wf8e.fsf@cbaines.net> <87r0u86qgo.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <87y1o9mina.fsf_-_@envs.net> <861qm0da4y.fsf@gmail.com> <87sfegwh28.fsf@gmail.com> <878rg7uqb4.fsf@gmail.com> <86lek6ntpb.fsf@gmail.com> <874jqtte7c.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkl0frnk.fsf@gnu.org> <87356ar6p1.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:25:55 +0100 Message-ID: <867cvm17ho.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61894 Cc: guix-maintainers@gnu.org, Christopher Baines , 61894@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?5a6L5paH5q2m?= , Andreas Enge , guix-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Maxim, On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 at 22:26, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > I'm sorry that you feel that way. I don't think consensus was willfully > broken, and perhaps by studying some actual examples of these > occurrences we can better understand what went wrong and how the new > suggested policy would have helped or could be modified to help avoid > such problems in the future. Well, all is in the public archive. :-) For one recent example, see #61255 [1]: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- We should think about how to improve our processes to avoid such issues in the future. I did raise concerns about this very patch late at night during FOSDEM, 24h after submission, and reaffirmed my viewpoint days later. I understand that delaying a nice patch series like this one is unpleasant, but I think those concerns should have been taken into account. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- 1: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/61255#32 From my point of view, it is useless to rehash specific example by specific example. Because it is not one unique case but several diffuse situations popping here or there. To be honest, I am missing what are the objections when one is asking to double-check some core changes. Anyway, I have expressed my opinion in various places in this thread and now I will not comment further. Cheers, simon