From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 27 11:29:54 2023 Received: (at 61684) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Feb 2023 16:29:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48654 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pWgNu-00052j-BJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 11:29:54 -0500 Received: from mail-qt1-f171.google.com ([209.85.160.171]:39627) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pWgNp-00052O-DT for 61684@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 11:29:53 -0500 Received: by mail-qt1-f171.google.com with SMTP id w23so7271155qtn.6 for <61684@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 08:29:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id :in-reply-to:date:references:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Gldkw1ATZknEDLLNR6d0bdra3ybhwnX/3RrdLE7Xcc8=; b=mcr/fwcTw3dc2gjjp3/VQxoFfyay2VC8aJxyswrUi1dc3A9GQAhe2BFsXCbvNQdexb 17pjCkMVVsFrveQ9Z3U/imu02SE275I0QVtvZ+XEWADV3K44hllhs5KqIvqPkVYqhhi3 pEF53wBamzTzDO3+8kyRp39319BL4CAgDUp4/nsH68G8fqpNFCzhIaQUePEM1Gw+A7Xi xMftqQU+UPUKpN8fJfb2mxgVNPz7RobjUTu/WYV4nssWRk+K9oTeMjvaCBiEvT5Yhq5F Tk8yZkXBxCJjqL2MS7HWOKGv4Fc52ItM2lunIufrZDvKvPSqK9hIV6ZAywVhWYhJcVB3 feaA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id :in-reply-to:date:references:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Gldkw1ATZknEDLLNR6d0bdra3ybhwnX/3RrdLE7Xcc8=; b=XA2aq/idY53JcPUjzZPRv57FKNdCj3AN75Qnznw3/JebYxU7U5VbSgpZP1JmigdLnD DICb35Qj7f1DlYmUiiROZGUnJLO9ZGLajZrrh2CE4/URUp6xzF18o57E+op8FfGBHLiQ nJfKyMWhRNPJg3qbfHwQwAFRzONWkGEdM4KlCoqmfcZmRLHuRTRfIICyazPBJf7w68ix V8c9esYmeuuU8ib+h60ATv4LBnIM4pz9tbg/1N4FZASX/EbfSF1OwHZyU+tC24yzPZ9N o0nuv/J/DR798ia65hit9YPjEtv0HfZyUQRMSHVa0zGcnKCc9IU6NT5ZMlBpuYb8UflV taHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKVclxBDZilA6VWz1fehcK0UUIGd3QzkFQbbNQZf9odjYziC3F3R MMWcKPwer1XChQ5ceOOWakU+t/HUKE+fhg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set8HWaDqBQ8eGZ/v/9J+TuCy9a21za1yLad3i8tcISgyS+NGZCadEPi3eY1sD0P7PqsfhbvBGA== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:58c3:0:b0:3bf:d490:f218 with SMTP id u3-20020ac858c3000000b003bfd490f218mr8790384qta.43.1677515383477; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 08:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hurd (dsl-156-86.b2b2c.ca. [66.158.156.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h21-20020ac87155000000b003b85ed59fa2sm4868495qtp.50.2023.02.27.08.29.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 27 Feb 2023 08:29:43 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: bug#61684: can't compose 'with-patch' with 'with-source' References: <87mt56gac6.fsf@gmail.com> <871qmg79u7.fsf@gnu.org> <87356whvaa.fsf@gmail.com> <875ybrmfuv.fsf@gmail.com> <87h6vbgpxf.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1onkwm0.fsf@gmail.com> <87cz5zgogo.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg8zjiya.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 11:29:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87zg8zjiya.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s=22'?= =?utf-8?Q?s?= message of "Mon, 27 Feb 2023 15:12:29 +0100") Message-ID: <87fsarkr61.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61684 Cc: 61684@debbugs.gnu.org, Simon Tournier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Ludovic, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Maxim Cournoyer skribis: > >>> Quoting Ludo, >>> >>> (this is crucial for o= ur HPC >>> users, who routinely combine a whole bunch of options; you have= no idea >>> how far they go once you give them the tool :-)) >>> >>> >>> >>> and I agree with =C2=AB you have no idea how far they go once you give = them >>> the tool :-)) =C2=BB. >> >> It seems a bit hypothetical at this point, so I wouldn't want to cripple >> the design by it. > > It baffles me that you would consider other people=E2=80=99s experience as > =E2=80=9Chypothetical=E2=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s not, really. I didn't mean to dismiss other people experiences. The reason I'd like to orient this discussion toward use cases, is that these are easier to work with (more concrete/well defined) than user experiences. I'm sure people use it in many ways I can't think of, and what I'd like us to do is be able to put a finger on what these ways are, and how the current API could be improved in a way that satisfies them all (if possible). > The choice of words after the comma is also unfortunate in several ways. Noted. For the record I used in for its "flawed or imperfect" definition. --=20 Thanks, Maxim