From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 08 05:55:52 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2022 09:55:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38298 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oh6Yi-00039Z-23 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 05:55:52 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:42148) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oh6Yg-00039R-JU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 05:55:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45134) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oh6Yg-0003c9-EN for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 05:55:50 -0400 Received: from relay.yourmailgateway.de ([188.68.63.102]:36873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oh6Ye-0001HR-1y for guix-patches@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 05:55:49 -0400 Received: from mors-relay-2502.netcup.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mors-relay-2502.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Ml0t53JGmz5w9Y; Sat, 8 Oct 2022 11:55:41 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: mors-relay-2502.netcup.net; dkim=permerror (bad message/signature format) Received: from policy02-mors.netcup.net (unknown [46.38.225.53]) by mors-relay-2502.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Ml0t52r28z4yV5; Sat, 8 Oct 2022 11:55:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at policy02-mors.netcup.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.899 required=6.31 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mxe217.netcup.net (unknown [10.243.12.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by policy02-mors.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Ml0t4182cz8sb0; Sat, 8 Oct 2022 11:55:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from florianrock64 (ip5b40552a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [91.64.85.42]) by mxe217.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64F7483195; Sat, 8 Oct 2022 11:55:35 +0200 (CEST) From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" To: Joshua Branson via Guix-patches via Subject: Re: [bug#58357] [Patch staging ] doc add a recommended system in 'Hardware Considerations' References: <20221007142445.25162-1-jbranso@dismail.de> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 11:55:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20221007142445.25162-1-jbranso@dismail.de> (Joshua Branson via Guix-patches via's message of "Fri, 7 Oct 2022 10:24:45 -0400") Message-ID: <87czb2ljvt.fsf@pelzflorian.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 64F7483195 X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd-worker-8404 X-NC-CID: JB3QJe8Wkbw3XIJeVMRz9xiqtxr7goB5oJ1Dzva+P4Tqqooz4uPNjC41 Received-SPF: none client-ip=188.68.63.102; envelope-from=pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de; helo=relay.yourmailgateway.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: 58357@debbugs.gnu.org, efraim@flashner.co.il, Joshua Branson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hmm Joshua, recommending these thinkpads may be good or may be bad. Off-the-shelf hardware too often is at odds with freedom, and newcomers underestimate how hard it is to find hardware. Joshua Branson via Guix-patches via writes: > * doc/guix.texi (Hardware Considerations): add a reccomended system and a > short commentary about graphics cards. For graphics cards =E2=80=9CWarn of AMD= GPUs unusable with Guix System=E2=80=9D is related. As Ricardo said there, we do point to h-node. > +@cindex Graphics Cards, hardware support > +Graphics cards have a hard time running properly under linux-libre, > +because those drivers usually require propritary firmware, which > +linux-libre removes. Users should avoid brand new graphics cards. > +Older Kepler Nvidia graphics cards and integrated Intel GPUs work the > +best. It would be bad to make recommendations that end up not working. I have doubts if new Intel GPUs is a safe advise. > +For the best Guix System experience, Guix developers recommend an X86_64 > +system with at least 2GB of RAM. An old Thinkpad in the T or X series > +is usually a good choice. If you decide to run Guix System on ARM or > +Power architectures, then please use a system with a 64 bit CPU. IMHO ARM and Power need not be mentioned so explicitly. On the website, there is no Guix System download link for ARM except the Pinebook image (I don=E2=80=99t own a Pinebook and can=E2=80=99t test that). Guix on ARM = works well, now that rsvg works on ARM. And once there is a new release, bordeaux will be enabled by default, then Guix on ARM will be much better even by default. Regards, Florian