October 8, 2022 5:56 AM, "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" wrote: > Hmm Joshua, recommending these thinkpads may be good or may be bad. Thanks for the response Florian! I'm a bit curious. Do you think that I should try to re-word what I've said? I can resend another patch, if you think it appropriate. > Off-the-shelf hardware too often is at odds with freedom, and newcomers > underestimate how hard it is to find hardware. Can you give me some examples of "bad thinkpads"? Perhaps really new ones? I'm honestly a little torn about what hardware to recommend to newcomers to Guix System. I cannot maintain my integrity and recommend a librebooted laptop. I use an osbooted Thinkpad, because with the cpu microkernel updates, the laptop is SOOO much more stable. My librebooted laptop would crash whenever I tried doing video editing. Perhaps we should list sellers that sell hardware with Guix system pre-installed. I see in reddit, people asking with some frequency what hardware they should buy for Guix System. It would be nice to at least recommend some specific hardware. :) I think the current manual is too vague for newcomers. Just my 2 cents. Or maybe this wiki page may be of use: https://wiki.parabola.nu/Computers > Joshua Branson via Guix-patches via writes: > >> * doc/guix.texi (Hardware Considerations): add a reccomended system and a >> short commentary about graphics cards. > > For graphics cards “Warn of AMD GPUs > unusable with Guix System” is related. As Ricardo said there, we do > point to h-node. Thanks for pointing me to that! > >> +@cindex Graphics Cards, hardware support >> +Graphics cards have a hard time running properly under linux-libre, >> +because those drivers usually require propritary firmware, which >> +linux-libre removes. Users should avoid brand new graphics cards. >> +Older Kepler Nvidia graphics cards and integrated Intel GPUs work the >> +best. > > It would be bad to make recommendations that end up not working. I have > doubts if new Intel GPUs is a safe advise. I can re-word to to say "old integrated Intel GPUs". I'm not sure how old I should say though. 5 years? Will the Intel Arc graphics cards be FYF or do they have a binary blob. I don't actually know... > >> +For the best Guix System experience, Guix developers recommend an X86_64 >> +system with at least 2GB of RAM. An old Thinkpad in the T or X series >> +is usually a good choice. If you decide to run Guix System on ARM or >> +Power architectures, then please use a system with a 64 bit CPU. > > IMHO ARM and Power need not be mentioned so explicitly. On the website, > there is no Guix System download link for ARM except the Pinebook image > (I don’t own a Pinebook and can’t test that). Guix on ARM works well, > now that rsvg works on ARM. How recent was that? That rsvg started working on ARM ? > > And once there is a new release, bordeaux will be enabled by default, > then Guix on ARM will be much better even by default. I certainly hope so! > Regards, > Florian