From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 04 04:34:10 2021 Received: (at 50960) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2021 08:34:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35629 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXJQH-00081E-Vb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 04:34:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47882) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXJQH-000813-5J for 50960@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 04:34:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44490) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXJQB-00088B-D6; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 04:34:03 -0400 Received: from [2001:660:6102:320:e120:2c8f:8909:cdfe] (port=60530 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXJQA-0003Ov-CX; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 04:34:03 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Vagrant Cascadian Subject: Re: [bug#50960] [PATCH 00/10] Add 'guix shell' to subsume 'guix environment' References: <20211002102116.27726-1-ludo@gnu.org> <871r53htdv.fsf@yucca> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 13 =?utf-8?Q?Vend=C3=A9miaire?= an 230 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 10:34:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871r53htdv.fsf@yucca> (Vagrant Cascadian's message of "Sat, 02 Oct 2021 16:57:48 -0700") Message-ID: <874k9xrxxj.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50960 Cc: 50960@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hello! Vagrant Cascadian skribis: > On 2021-10-02, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: [...] >> 2. =E2=80=98guix shell=E2=80=99, without arguments, loads =E2=80=98gui= x.scm=E2=80=99 or =E2=80=98manifest.scm=E2=80=99 >> from the current directory or one of its ancestors. > > This sounds a little scary to me, just implicitly importing whatever > happens to be lying around doesn't sound very guixy... Right, it would be the first command that does that. I became quite convinced that conventions and, thus, implicit arguments can occasionally improve usability. We use tools that operate this way daily: =E2=80=98make=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98git=E2=80=99, etc. Dave nicely arg= ued about it: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2017-08/msg00300.html But yeah, it is a departure from what we=E2=80=99ve done so far, so we shou= ld take the time to think through it. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.