From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 13 05:36:28 2021 Received: (at 48924) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2021 09:36:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42662 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lsMXc-0000qE-6w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jun 2021 05:36:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34520) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lsMXZ-0000py-SX for 48924@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jun 2021 05:36:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38182) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lsMXT-0002QJ-Kk; Sun, 13 Jun 2021 05:36:19 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=54738 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lsMXQ-0000eu-RH; Sun, 13 Jun 2021 05:36:19 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Efraim Flashner Subject: Re: [bug#48924] Add systemd References: <87wnr3aqa6.fsf@gnu.org> <87sg1qbxb0.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <8c9f7f3961274fd2fef3b715a0ff8b21026bb283.camel@student.tugraz.at> <87h7i45p9y.fsf@gnu.org> <6bb174687e5520154f4cb0fefe8306158d594c01.camel@student.tugraz.at> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 25 Prairial an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 11:36:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Efraim Flashner's message of "Sun, 13 Jun 2021 10:31:19 +0300") Message-ID: <87sg1m2jjl.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48924 Cc: Leo Prikler , 48924@debbugs.gnu.org, Tony O X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi! Efraim Flashner skribis: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 07:11:18PM +0200, Leo Prikler wrote: [...] >> I'm definitely leaning towards not including it as-is/perhaps having it >> in an external channel as well, but I don't think "high maintenance" >> should generally be a deterrent against a functioning package (or >> rather the only reason to keep a package from being included). [...] > I'd also argue that some of the bioinformatics packages are high > maintenance and no one likes having to update them. I agree with the two of you. What I=E2=80=99m saying is that if in additio= n of having a high maintenance cost, it=E2=80=99s pretty much unusable, then tha= t=E2=80=99s not good. > One thing that I've noticed with elogind is that it doesn't interact > will with systemd-logind on other machines. Any loginctl command > normally fails because the version we have looks in /var/lib/elogind and > systemd uses /var/lib/systemd. Oh you=E2=80=99re saying that someone on a foreign distro might be interest= ed in running =E2=80=98systemctl=E2=80=99 from Guix=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98systemd=E2= =80=99 package? That sounds like a bit far-fetched to me, dunno. > It would also be useful to figure out how to run user level systemd > services, likely using systemd itself, for those who are interested in > doing so. > > I've heard that systemd is modular, in that at compile time it's > possible to choose which modules to build. Perhaps we can build a subset > which are actually useful for us? Good question, no idea. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.