From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 02 14:55:13 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2021 19:55:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54285 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lHB6v-0003ai-5A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 14:55:13 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:43002) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lHB6s-0003aY-9a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 14:55:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34284) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lHB6r-0007E7-UT for bug-guix@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 14:55:09 -0500 Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.21]:54873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lHB6q-0000B1-1V for bug-guix@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 14:55:09 -0500 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DB316CF; Tue, 2 Mar 2021 14:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 02 Mar 2021 14:55:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to; s=mesmtp; bh=ShRZXfnP1vzGgTioQlQ2RTEB1/8FpSDR/dOl4zWI7Bg=; b=PoQKz46pm1pl P4MroDQ8WfoCJGSnYLVgAZyM8uACzvzWQtkxJmKp21wV9gLMnwk/YzqQBDVDNSk4 zNqEA/9q+tebPkuNhbnw3YF5zt7/j9Fui8BlhAC6uzDiU1armrCcVs0ZTTaFmvRO V4D13gYLtBmFdWWxMHtTb60d1pgJKsw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=ShRZXfnP1vzGgTioQlQ2RTEB1/8FpSDR/dOl4zWI7 Bg=; b=JvmiiJfAhHs9I2o78IWLgqBi06xb1htaTTItNqaEy6vFzPPFPzOeHtWSE nLz0HiyegyyYiFy9CsglDXc+sbPcyPK+2pOkWTyfUicopqQly9Lsu6RLmmEMXI5V 5AojP2BRGvSSeB9tyBpGD4OgCdTRA5qYqmGOp/dkB0QPDMHU4RhlJmfj4M7vQC/5 Elzd2ipFwJrQ1bwJ8JmA8AGZliTY7iT4kvjk6iAJ9hmBtO4By99wmTazdt29PbCo i209+RBBnuoLAGnfodc4nn4WlivCcC8Ocau42FCf9H/0YfxP8xB0WV6KLNb8ktFp vOiEAYHuSD+G4XZJ/0VvNjtBd0LGA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledruddttddguddvgecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggugfgjsehtqhertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpefnvgho ucfhrghmuhhlrghrihcuoehlvghosehfrghmuhhlrghrihdrnhgrmhgvqeenucggtffrrg htthgvrhhnpeejleevjefhkeelhffgtdfgfeegtefhgfehhefgffdtteffueeghedtieej leeigeenucffohhmrghinhepthhosghirghsrdhgrhenucfkphepuddttddruddurdduie elrdduudeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhho mheplhgvohesfhgrmhhulhgrrhhirdhnrghmvg X-ME-Proxy: Received: from localhost (pool-100-11-169-118.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [100.11.169.118]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 07828240054; Tue, 2 Mar 2021 14:55:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 14:55:02 -0500 From: Leo Famulari To: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix Subject: Re: bug#46877: Guix assumes ideal network exists, does not Message-ID: References: <87eegxms7h.fsf@nckx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <87eegxms7h.fsf@nckx> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.147.123.21; envelope-from=leo@famulari.name; helo=wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: 46877@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) On Tue, Mar 02, 2021 at 05:32:50PM +0100, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug rep= orts for GNU Guix wrote: > Guixfriends, >=20 > Errors like the one below are omnipresent. It's a problem. >=20 > Expecting an ever-increasing (16k+?) number of requests to finish flawles= sly > or aborting a very long (20+ minutes here) process is doomed. >=20 > We don't seem to have a plan forward (I include myself!). Looking at oth= er > package managers, a blunt =E2=80=98retry a finite number of times=E2=80= =99 seems common. > Guix's =E2=80=98pretend that "transient" is a magic powerword=E2=80=99 ap= proach less so. >=20 > What do people think? Does the heavy pipelining complicate matters? >=20 > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > ~ $ guix weather --substitute-urls=3Dhttps://guix.tobias.gr I sometimes see similar failures with `guix weather`. To clarify, do you also see them when substituting? Or just when checking for substitutes?