From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 19 19:17:56 2021 Received: (at 46650) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2021 00:17:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50653 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lDFy8-0002bw-DS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:17:56 -0500 Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:36857) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lDFy3-0002bg-It for 46650@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:17:55 -0500 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F6C5C0115; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:17:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to; s=mesmtp; bh=vzIiv05nNqVTNUu0hO5Rrd0e9+5EW4uzwFXNhQy61oc=; b=sB4v0jZslkpB hKfqLBiRP3TqoMdIwJ4cqWdI+bOhjSNbPCA34Q8ICJ2x9L+72ALg2W4DPLEmD6P7 zDtAtsN1Nm3N9j91agA09yRfinM4qLH8ptRzPj+q7qz/h36Ek4nm4phAPrg//y8/ aq5rY3Ef4PPBCSos1xkoL5cwv9dv+1Q= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=vzIiv05nNqVTNUu0hO5Rrd0e9+5EW4uzwFXNhQy61 oc=; b=W/2sTQ81n/o0RCTgjKgIh61ewZeL+cr/sY03EsFm7lgD/TTysotgyj65P n4/+/DyrkbF19kvqtbdn3asQIwxtHdK0kI5+KINXawazXvw+noHp2iKHepffSscx 0/JPHKDJTK5mbU23BurLuuGw5HH9KvQaAOUf+lQeOScnk6iuEHujH7rNTX1QWbXH L1i1hQApQRPLOfREKIZQhmXkynaW6+k44c9dEXnYrq2x3/TA6UC014ZXLf3rmfNO IlsrRUSLgolmIHRKzT3FqNgxp1QK9JIQQ0ZSpkqfgEMpKbK1UTJf088qGYD2oKNZ Xa0jYiPbRb7zzmJjVs84FkHShIPNg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrjeejgddulecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtugfgjgesthekre dttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnfgvohcuhfgrmhhulhgrrhhiuceolhgvohesfhgrmhhulhgr rhhirdhnrghmvgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepgeejgeeghedtudfgffdutddvffefff ejkeffffevffehgedvvdeutdffkeejjeejnecukfhppeeiledruddvtddrledvrddvtdek necuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheplhgvoh esfhgrmhhulhgrrhhirdhnrghmvg X-ME-Proxy: Received: from localhost (ool-45785cd0.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.92.208]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AB65224005B; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:17:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:17:40 -0500 From: Leo Famulari To: Carl Dong Subject: Re: bug#46650: Extending package transformation options Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46650 Cc: 46650@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 06:24:57PM -0500, Carl Dong wrote: > One of the main reasons for switching over to Guix is for its bootstrappbility and the ability to perform `--bootstrap --no-substitutes` builds. As mentioned in the gnutls ticket, performing these source-based builds can sometimes reveal problems with tests suites: > 1. Spurious tests > 2. “Expiring” tests (like the gnutls one) > 3. Foreign distro problems (0zmcam9sdiag9s1qx3xvlf8a3jnm53x2-sed-4.8.drv fails to build on SELinux-based distros because of a test failure in testsuite/inplace-selinux) I hate to throw a wrench in your plans, but I think that using package transformation options on the command-line militates against many of the benefits you are seeking to take advantage of, in terms of an introspectable and bootstrappable software system. Normally when using Guix, our Git tree provides a convenient and comprehensive view of the entire software system. It also provides an entry point into the system for making changes. When using these command-line package transformations, you diverge from the Guix Git tree and enter uncharted and untracked territory. If you install some software or build some system using these transformations, there is no Git tree you can check out and begin exploring. For example, there will be no package definition of GnuTLS-without-tests that can be referred to and shared.