From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 04 06:15:26 2021 Received: (at 44354) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2021 10:15:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52306 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lds5O-0005bu-5H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 May 2021 06:15:26 -0400 Received: from mailrelay.tugraz.at ([129.27.2.202]:23339) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lds5I-0005bf-O8 for 44354@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 May 2021 06:15:25 -0400 Received: from nijino.local (91-114-247-246.adsl.highway.telekom.at [91.114.247.246]) by mailrelay.tugraz.at (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FZG1c755Vz3x6V; Tue, 4 May 2021 12:15:16 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tugraz.at; s=mailrelay; t=1620123317; bh=GDIAgDvHlTn5zRxs9QLn3ss1Rxw1XMNhd2prqZRhE9Q=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=IDq0iaoZnC8pIU8jrD7JGvmNEis28uQuerTBkXlT9tdCy2vghmiwUFrl6YlHDxYJY PsrZGHdMTAsIH9FnGxiEWNWXcScfexcpmYhEFSbj6wYfVFz/ZciAMe/SUZoiCeS9HU DY9QxUlgewl6LGGWvPQAA/DUTN/ZVSTVKGxqKcrE= Message-ID: <3149f088b6e5c7d13b8f10616d7828cedc90ecba.camel@student.tugraz.at> Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: gnome-deskop-service-type: Set GUIX_GTK*_IM_MODULE_FILE. From: Leo Prikler To: Ricardo Wurmus Date: Tue, 04 May 2021 12:15:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8735v2u8f3.fsf@elephly.net> References: <875yzzszyu.fsf@elephly.net> <3497ef1623c1a88c8fb9f09c068a078ba857e25f.camel@student.tugraz.at> <8735v2u8f3.fsf@elephly.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-TUG-Backscatter-control: bt4lQm5Tva3SBgCuw0EnZw X-Spam-Scanner: SpamAssassin 3.003001 X-Spam-Score-relay: -1.9 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.74 on 129.27.10.117 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44354 Cc: 44354@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Am Dienstag, den 04.05.2021, 11:58 +0200 schrieb Ricardo Wurmus: > Leo Prikler writes: > > > Hi, > > > > Am Dienstag, den 04.05.2021, 09:46 +0200 schrieb Ricardo Wurmus: > > > Hi Leo, > > > > > > I haven’t been able to get ibus-libpinyin to work even when > > > these > > > variables are set. I know that these variables used to work > > > once. > > "Used to work" in what sense? Did ibus-libpinyin work for you > > or > > someone else with these variables set and now it's no longer > > working? > > Yes. > > IIRC I patched GTK back in the day to respect these extra > variables. I did that because that made things work. This > predates at least two upgrades to Gnome and the decision on > Gnome’s part to “integrate” ibus more tightly; I don’t know > exactly when things broke because all I know is that when I > returned to Guix after a months-long hiatus things no longer > worked. I think the reason why this might not work if you're putting things into ~/.guix-profile is because that IM_MODULE_FILE is incomplete. Compare its contents against the one where everything is built into the system, there will be huge differences. > > > I don’t know if setting them is the correct thing to do for > > > Gnome. > > > This patch would also only work for system-wide installations > > > of > > > input methods. Input methods that have been installed in a > > > user > > > profile would not be part of the cache files. > > I'm not sure we can expect things to "just work" with ibus in > > the user > > profile. As far as I'm aware, we don't expect GDM to find the > > user's > > custom gnome installation without some hacking on their part, so > > I > > don't understand why we would expect GNOME to find ibus in a > > similar > > setup. > > Because it worked just like that before. > > Ibus should be a user process with user configuration. This is > not inherently global, so only making it work with globally > installed input methods is a restriction that I think we should > aim to do without. What is a "user process with user configuration" here? The way I understand those words, is that a. the process is launched under the user's account, and b. the configuration for that process lies in the user's directory. Certainly, those two hold for ibus. But they also hold for gnome, which should not be inherently global either by the above argument. Yet managing gnome system-wide is significantly easier than managing it per-user. Also note, that my patch would not bar you from setting GUIX_GTK*_IM_MODULE_FILE to something else if you indeed have a local ibus setup. I'd even go so far as to argue, that it doesn't make your setup more difficult at all. All it does is make things easier for those who want a global gnome+ibus setup. Regards, Leo