From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 06 17:27:36 2020 Received: (at 42225) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2020 21:27:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35026 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jsYeF-0001y9-P2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 17:27:36 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f68.google.com ([209.85.221.68]:44560) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jsYeC-0001xr-A2 for 42225@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 17:27:34 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f68.google.com with SMTP id b6so42802844wrs.11 for <42225@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 14:27:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hxlpgbuv/rqXHYFzHZ4bKHqFN16RVUykhJ21qxIu91w=; b=gLC2LLA2xO09Eqzr0jhW9YFJX83cK+KxBHdocq5K6P0Ot4O+7rQYWfMNtp3RsePcrM y05WtIi1FmQa14/anKSEtGOLQYGgAGhyP8QDacjzi9XoBq07ONp5QbrHKnEBWQAPJJkM DP7EI0R0MAN2VTkbzOjmHKrKVgDbOUabNp1JaFG+yezK39NX/xy09cFJ0DkvgYUwuqRq GhZrzabr9l0KUsW1IIzkny54ywW+AiYdTavQ1/DKHKXRZIEuoKNCsWFNux3DGkXRMrG6 x9qa6T0nVYCs8RGBEAGhHxmbujlUo+xHWIrmmjuJ5RRqF3mJQQKM+/KAekN/UlmZ7OZM EbcQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hxlpgbuv/rqXHYFzHZ4bKHqFN16RVUykhJ21qxIu91w=; b=bszwoA2k80BgmGgXcHWvO4hCVNHQMLR732JMrU2ejsdLb3Wk1LQhygZg4crx5LjCbN Dz6d0A/rd2p5/5K5hOaXkSVhE6eIajwr3ONHIzTZHaTpZMOyHrYXj/79skC/SJdwU2FO c3OAccnr4a+JDGq7xCNGiFd+KYCpuzSs6nY+TTHUuctVat8/bRhmB5sqkBrgqbYIyVNy +qqI0cGrMCMJuB3Q8g92nfOs2gw2mwH5/OlStZ9vP3vSQKRPh0UcoP6mcKYswKEH8TNL 9fbunhyITNTTyGU/6uX9DBgXwS3sqN6I7SAezLOFr/Qn5xwSjtl6h/Oblr1iT+/05Qpn A3lA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530QP+dO2wz1EVQ8+YLJgbLNeWApQaamJkNqComleHLlr1PU9W6r SW23hJRxiyAB61/77epxkxa846Lnpok= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzS8fSdaNraXpRpHhBJQ7yberE1EH5Gmh3NpzoA0Je6YShjLF4TRVO6dfBtWmFI3G+lus0lGQ== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4903:: with SMTP id x3mr53862448wrq.351.1594070846117; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z63sm848755wmb.2.2020.07.06.14.27.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 06 Jul 2020 14:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: zimoun To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: [bug#42225] [PATCH 0/5] Add 'guix git-authenticate' command In-Reply-To: <87fta4ifvb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20200706083755.11778-1-ludo@gnu.org> <86y2nxro6j.fsf@gmail.com> <871rloke0d.fsf@gnu.org> <87fta4ifvb.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 23:27:24 +0200 Message-ID: <865zb0ibb7.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42225 Cc: 42225@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 at 21:48, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > We=E2=80=99re drifting off-topic, but this is interesting. I just hope f= ew > people do that, but at least it=E2=80=99s a reminder of the sad situation > wrt. substitute availability. I have started to do so during lockdown. I was in South of France (Millau \o/) only with my laptop which is not so much powerful. Well, on one hand it is the availability of package substitutes; but except some corner case and bad luck, in general* it is fine for me. On the other hand, I am really annoyed by building the derivations. But the new Guile compiler for derivation and other such optimizations could really improve the situation. :-) *general: well, it should not be possible to pull packages that do not build. It is rare but it happens and it is really frustrating: burn CPU and finally end with "build error". Anyway! Off-topic. > I don=E2=80=99t understand why you wouldn=E2=80=99t run =E2=80=98guix pul= l --news=E2=80=99 though. It > provides useful info beyond packages, doesn=E2=80=99t it? The command "guix pull --news" is useful. It provides useful information about packages, features, etc. But I read "--news" directly on guix-patches. :-) However, "guix pull --news" is not useful for what I want: find the commit backward in order to feed "guix time-machine --commit=3D". From my point of view, "--news" is useful forward. Other said, I delete the old generations I pulled e.g. 1 year ago so "--news" cannot work in this case. Anyway! Another off-topic. >>> In the short term, we don=E2=80=99t need to solve all these problems: w= e can >>> also go for =E2=80=98git-authenticate=E2=80=99 and rename it once we ha= ve these other >>> commands. >> >> I have learnt that renaming will not work. :-) >> Because backward compatibilities and break the workflow of someone. >> So I would take the other route, go for "guix git authenticate" and >> hoping that other commands would come soon. > > Well, this particular renaming would be easy: it=E2=80=99s really just re= naming, > with a known name, a situation very different from that of =E2=80=98guix > environment=E2=80=99 if that=E2=80=99s what you were alluding to. Well, I do not think that particular renaming would be easy; as any other renaming: changing established things is hard. It is easy to add, not to remove. And from my point of view "guix git-authenticate" is not special enough to deserve a subcommand. But we all enjoy different taste of wine. :-) Anyway. Because we are drifting too much, let open another discussion and move forward this one. So, it was my bikeshedding feedback. :-) Cheers, simon