From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 28 11:28:08 2019 Received: (at 38360) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2019 16:28:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59035 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iaMeG-0005dw-2S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:28:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46681) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iaMeD-0005dR-Qq for 38360@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:28:06 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44856) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iaMe7-0000xJ-Gr; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:28:00 -0500 Received: from [2001:660:6102:320:e120:2c8f:8909:cdfe] (port=38412 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iaMe4-0007O4-AZ; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:27:56 -0500 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: =?utf-8?Q?Nicol=C3=B2?= Balzarotti Subject: Re: bug#38360: Retroarch might violate FSDG References: <87d0df7wpv.fsf@gnu.org> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 8 Frimaire an 228 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 17:27:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Nicol=C3=B2?= Balzarotti"'s message of "Wed, 27 Nov 2019 00:26:48 +0100") Message-ID: <87zhggt186.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38360 Cc: 38360@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Hi Nicol=C3=B2, Nicol=C3=B2 Balzarotti skribis: > We don't provide them _directly_, but when loading the program the first > option is "Load core". Then, first option again, is "Download core". Here > you have a list of "proprietary" .so.zip downloads. Retroarch, as far as I > understand, is encouraging the download of those programs, with no > licensing information (see [1]). I don't know if this is ok or if we can > patch it (hiding the "Download core" menu maybe?). Oh, that sounds pretty bad. In my view, it=E2=80=99s a problem: 1. from a user freedom viewpoint, because the user might unwillingly find themselves downloading non-free code, and thus Guix is not fulfilling its mission; 2. from a security and engineering viewpoint, because we certainly don=E2=80=99t want users to run code from arbitrary binaries downloaded from the net. I think it definitely needs to be fixed. > Debian _does_ provide (from their package manager) some o the cores [2], > two of them with the non-free tag. > If we patch retroarch to hide the download menu, to make it functional we > should also package some free cores. That sounds like a plan. Would you be able to help with that? Hopefully there are patches we can take from Debian, no? If nobody can work on it in a timely fashion, I would propose to remove retroarch until someone can do this work. WDYT? Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.