Hi Danny, Danny Milosavljevic skribis: > On Sun, 06 May 2018 23:00:54 +0200 > ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) wrote: > >> >> I would not add it to ‘%desktop-services’ because I’d think it’s not a >> >> very common requirement, but I don’t know. WDYT? >> > >> > Do we need internet in order to install GuixSD? >> > >> > Then modem-manager should at least be available in the installation image. >> >> I think this is orthogonal to the question of adding it to >> ‘%desktop-services’ since the installation image doesn’t rely on >> ‘%desktop-services’. > > True. I agree. So do you still want to add ‘modem-manager’ to ‘%desktop-services’? :-) >> Nevertheless, this will all be a matter of size, usability, and >> documentation. If it adds “too much” to the size of the installation >> image, I’d be rather against it. > > Well, some way of getting to the internet eventually needs to be available > somewhere. > > (it's fine if it's only in the installed system, so I guess compilation > of everything is fine). > > In Austria the cellphone internet is very cheap - so almost everyone has it > (and many have only that). That said, USB or Wifi tethering is common, too. > > I'm just trying to reduce the number of things I have to charge on the road :) :-) I would expect people installing an OS to have Ethernet or WiFi. One gets WiFi even on the train nowadays. ;-) In terms of size it doesn’t look good: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- $ guix size $(guix system build ~/src/guix/gnu/system/install.scm ) | tail -1 total: 1116.4 MiB $ guix size $(guix system build ~/src/guix/gnu/system/install.scm ) modem-manager | tail -1 total: 1346.0 MiB --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- WDYT? (I actually fail to see how we end up with 1G in the first place…) > GNU Linux distributions nowadays have trouble providing any kind of simple > dialup installation - so it's more difficult to install GNU Linux here. > I think that's ridiculous since the AT commands and PPP required to have > some kind of internet didn't change sice circa 1985 - and it's small, too. > > (I didn't know ModemManager before I packaged it here - but it does > some extra stuff like provide network card simulator integration for the > extremely fast LTE modems) > > I still have not-so-fond memories of manually downloading a random wvdial > binary and its dependencies in order to be able to install Gentoo. A normal > person (TM) would just give up ;) Heheh. Thanks, Ludo’.