From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 08 05:51:24 2021 Received: (at 50231) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2021 09:51:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58698 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNuEm-0007Q6-7C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 05:51:24 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f46.google.com ([209.85.128.46]:35372) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNuEk-0007Ps-TF for 50231@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 05:51:23 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f46.google.com with SMTP id z9-20020a7bc149000000b002e8861aff59so1116522wmi.0 for <50231@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 02:51:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=a+EqKpDcgOAcVMYkXNliRYMJSuWrvabH6W5dDHMosgU=; b=nfDROYID5wzck6+0a7hHvI41u1zZjak/OnKQnXGNL2AC9fALQD7MER3I+CoNpPA2RQ iM5qRxz4lF8Ye0ts/i9yqx2MosGLkeoW5xAz2fcRqD5uk8BfM73zx0QGQziFpiqJAjiI vpSYFt917a7gNq3h1JB8J7E/wdxACc/XGcciiNyLcKoUv8/vaeL5WRbjk+iualWWAyeE X38cfrpQmoQNEok3oOWJ3FXyiXYokzDprZudAOBvHFlvh0HnICkw8dSEFrIMO3LjJwNl sR7T0jSrEpzDVf84FGDNphHB9/65sjQSz1l8rte4srDOR6KKft7GYz1RmEGCIZZ2CWt1 eA/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=a+EqKpDcgOAcVMYkXNliRYMJSuWrvabH6W5dDHMosgU=; b=sOF31TAUK5vySf0E6qa4/qi1uoLjtxaJOP9Bzt/fugkg5bbwUlSwB+4XWx80YF8Don emIvyrtzqk6zZXMhqMlHEvBALWU2veVLcuNOioflIxvH0QJgNlGlb6oCjl5Eqs4CnRht Yhu7QIwvcrpgP+ItaQZAP1PoVb4nNjJsQ22Gp7QY+z8/H+W8erJ6U1LrAHfsqF+8riKZ kM3BMg4pDHLNLlU6PTLZCBcNYAfEzAQeyc2mvQK6d/EK7ROM7+nv40uzjDEHqZJlGHIc UAC7dJUMtgAVG21+UuoSj4Mhbq6ndk9tD9J+SvI1b7PeaSYaYKOy/8JVQSS4p2IaOdxB gaLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532dr/rrz2YXJtG6MOOjK9LLbdTFSDww2ZJchTsYTXwk3ll7ZYeP X4J4G9yICwxJj1Uz9aTll9sxp7M0cVc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxflB01dJUGLNob20Tw7CHPrAYdPqIZEF/EGKpc4Mcn3mp8p0nSQ1A80dq6k6PMl73ZkcjUQw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:ac2:: with SMTP id c2mr2637196wmr.141.1631094676897; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 02:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f17sm1629251wmf.4.2021.09.08.02.51.15 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 08 Sep 2021 02:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: zimoun To: Nicolas Goaziou , Reily Siegel Subject: Re: [bug#50231] [PATCH] gnu: emacs-desktop-environment: Include runtime dependencies In-Reply-To: <87a6ko9m68.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> References: <87pmtyrayf.fsf@reilysiegel.com> <87h7eyawr4.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87k0jsfb2s.fsf@reilysiegel.com> <87a6ko9m68.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2021 11:33:32 +0200 Message-ID: <865yvbe7ir.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50231 Cc: 50231@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, On Tue, 07 Sep 2021 at 22:15, Nicolas Goaziou wrot= e: >> The emacs package can be configured to use other tools. However, unless >> the package is specifically configured otherwise, it will not work when >> installed. Without either these propagated inputs or special >> configuration, this package cannot perform any of its functions.=20 Indeed. However, =E2=80=9Cguix install emacs-foo=E2=80=9D does not install= the package =E2=80=99emacs=E2=80=99, i.e., =E2=80=99emacs-foo=E2=80=99 cannot perform a= ny of its functions. ;-) > I know, but this Emacs library is not supposed to provide the features > itself. I assume you use it on top of installed executables, as > explained in the package description: > > The package depends on the availability of shell commands to do the > hard work for us. > > Pulling all of them from an Emacs package sounds backward. On the other side, I remember discussions about =E2=80=99git=E2=80=99 as in= puts in =E2=80=99emacs-magit=E2=80=99. Or =E2=80=99the-silver-searcher=E2=80=99 fo= r =E2=80=99emacs-ag=E2=80=99. Maybe it is worth to improve section about Emacs packages in the manual. Rough draft: =C2=ABThe external tools required by the package are not included as inputs, except if they are required at compile or test time.=C2=BB Well, I am sure someone will find a better wording. ;-) > Maybe Guix is missing a "suggested depedencies" flag, somehow. Yeah, maybe. One way should to add a =E2=80=99properties=E2=80=99 as =E2=80=99suggest=E2= =80=99. Well, from my experience with Debian, I am not convinced that this suggest field really helps. Maybe for discovery. The easiest way is to provide a sentence in the =E2=80=99description=E2=80= =99 field about such. Cheers, simon