From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 12 05:54:40 2020 Received: (at 40549) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 May 2020 09:54:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54296 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYRcV-0006bw-W8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 05:54:40 -0400 Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([95.128.36.40]:25544) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYRcU-0006bX-6Q for 40549@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 05:54:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by ext-mx-out003.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59D8404BC for <40549@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:54:31 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freedommail.ch; h=content-type:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:date:date :subject:subject:from:from:received:received:received; s= dkim20160331; t=1589277271; x=1591091672; bh=QvkIXp1Zq+LXGRriMrh XiETs/HWXX60ghHlzgJqCscM=; b=uQs+magaHNNtdTEp0KDDqIwkhSMuonm+Di7 Rp8v7N2241TO3nRSPzrazv6NpdCwXENzBJtI9kPVMJKxejfreJl3oY/5i/2ePAhv EZyOXgWo+VIq9JNEjk9d74orHCv40Hm1podHo42gGggxFDJwSXc5ouaqDgV+8p3c oN906kRefaQyndQRjZS525MP3HELOa1Vn11oV+Qo/nUOiHwt19kx0SXQ/b2kBPW+ qu2DrvfKkbFHZ4HkhW9Pd7/Zg/eFtIci1NjeV+XGFfGHEPV655xDZIcaQImkW3/b Leq0M+GznTjnP3Jwgd4mWBoCEPHbZJE1DnoOC2pc/S6PwTgoSM0p0ceNXlwitvby vHGnsczSYpSbQhRK0GZmw5ADktcJ3wZyqc1i3QfV9vzwM1NfeBsDVdCzTCZGlf6F S+z0/njZWbpTGa7FDdglPEStqDxxHDr1hpUVr+8ICpOf41Tnv6VYIefvG6GBZZ1I EmNbq4UQKfQM/jN1Rdombc4OVRpOv5xs5Su+TUZ6IoCbUo5O5i/AUmQo+B2X+lAG 9xdxJtY86OqxDWxtKf9aM++aW+un+BgF+FS1ELFK/6voxse5jM4fyfr2CMa847IK 4nP273EmgmqxQACLlq7XqE0wvTWqM8lav3tlFksTetYq5MGBrqmUkTcGdGBOKy2I vkXXSQv4= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mykolab.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-10 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ext-mx-out003.mykolab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vsdo8mlkN2EY for <40549@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:54:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-mx001.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.13.1]) by ext-mx-out003.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4483940439 for <40549@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:54:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ext-subm003.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.6.3]) by int-mx001.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02AB2216 for <40549@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 12 May 2020 11:54:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Tom Zander To: 40549@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#40549: More usability issues: Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:54:29 +0200 Message-ID: <5652466.lOV4Wx5bFT@cherry> In-Reply-To: <87mu6dcz8v.fsf@gnu.org> References: <6171889.DvuYhMxLoT@cherry> <87mu6dcz8v.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40549 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On dinsdag 12 mei 2020 10:51:28 CEST Ludovic Court=E8s wrote: > Nothing new here, and everything is properly documented. The bugreport was not about a disconnect between documentation and the tool, the bugreport is a usability bug which stems from the fact that the command= =20 line parser behaves differently from every single other commandline parser= =20 average people like me have ever used. A near 100% of the command line tools on your Gnu/Linux box will behave=20 differently than guix does now. C apps using libc, python apps using their parser, even C++ apps using the = Qt=20 commandline classes, all are generally compatible with regards to behavior. Only Guix is different. > However (srfi srfi-37) does it as we see it now. Fixing it would mean > implementing a different option parser. Then fix that parser. It is inconsistent with the rest of the world and as = long=20 as it is end-user-facing this inconsistency is a usability bug. A rather=20 massive one, I might say as this is about as core to the user-interaction o= f=20 the platform as it can get. =2D-=20 Tom Zander