From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 13 02:22:28 2020 Received: (at 40549) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 May 2020 06:22:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57172 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYkmh-0008Ei-T4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2020 02:22:28 -0400 Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([95.128.36.41]:47802) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYkmf-0008EN-EJ for 40549@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2020 02:22:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by ext-mx-out001.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147376FA; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:22:19 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freedommail.ch; h=content-type:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:date:date :subject:subject:from:from:received:received:received; s= dkim20160331; t=1589350938; x=1591165339; bh=O4t2pueh/tyjAVg4tRa RJXE1TEWnPhiM64LXa4Le+g4=; b=HFh7t4q+Zp4/vs0zwZsQfjZS+6bCn3RfZ0D jyWhiy+DnBH6aLcFSbYvSM5bA54yDeK756N65oSHHVJSrjF/OSJGiXbq4rJASmIQ lhABUGfcJQc/l3aOEW96Rn9ncKvhFQwf6/wLaeisc73676ZjmH8mjYb8Dcj7wBE9 g/joRmqu8776iYWhOtCf5a9YT1Nb+pdR9Um/rjP+GRjE07DWFp9J0vsbVFf+uWu3 osZ2Gm7XRpVirgBpSsBd73UgwQAlvoy6ongegafSdo1d2/6P0dmL8rd7ykSFVQof +9p4zbxFSgBX6VP0SWYhNItNBbi/3FFyHo5RRkaJUxDSKFeUgROMX5KZ354HpSWH D8Haxmr8r4YScCIWXAqmxB/Vi4QVNvoIAE9wACMKJFEWdrdL/u3pmTqlLY4Y9fwQ vgo0ORogmta07x/+UeQuArUm4497u5P5sQ5pQ2w5zA+eXL/yqa/weEsg7k5qgZSX 1ozj8lrFEhLOvsOhv14ZZtMhv8oSyEF5Td2rX5qu1xD8OX5nP4q92QZe8Cr55s2E mFlrVDg2mmOYgT2YKQZmAjXkc1Ce3mCbiUN1M68AHS6OQ3XpzxYRBlWKjs1pWW8e ei1RJrZ2Yal7zyYim4s+9CNASDIPV2TIs0eMohf1ZKEY7J8zv32QquqCXkB+y1N3 s85B8yPo= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mykolab.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-10 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ext-mx-out001.mykolab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hAG75t2pWeAO; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:22:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from int-mx003.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.13.3]) by ext-mx-out001.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 559D965E; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:22:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ext-subm002.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.6.2]) by int-mx003.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2C86B0F; Wed, 13 May 2020 08:22:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Tom Zander To: zimoun Subject: Re: bug#40549: More usability issues: Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 08:22:16 +0200 Message-ID: <5420431.DvuYhMxLoT@cherry> In-Reply-To: References: <6171889.DvuYhMxLoT@cherry> <5565734.MhkbZ0Pkbq@cherry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40549 Cc: 40549@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) It looks like I was wrong on the ls example, more importantly, it seems we all agree that short options with optional arguments are messy, at best. I think the best course of action is to take a look at the guix command line design and find a way to move away from depending on them. Maybe some iterative change its approach.