From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 15 08:27:12 2018 Received: (at 25296) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2018 13:27:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56780 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eb4n9-0004hW-QL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:27:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55978) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eb4n8-0004hJ-As for 25296@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:27:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eb4n1-0001f2-W2 for 25296@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:27:05 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47985) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eb4my-0001dN-Tz; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:27:00 -0500 Received: from [2a01:e35:2ec2:e580:7d5f:f616:fc6f:3970] (port=40984 helo=godel) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eb4my-0000Uo-9a; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:27:00 -0500 From: Mathieu Lirzin To: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Subject: Re: bug#25296: fully functional desktop installation References: <20161229171045.263747a9@riseup.net> <87bmvpb21m.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7xgwom7.fsf@gnu.org> <87shb8jedn.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:26:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87shb8jedn.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\=22'\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?s\?\= message of "Sun, 14 Jan 2018 22:53:56 +0100") Message-ID: <87lggzdzh9.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25296 Cc: Quiliro , 25296@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Hello, ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: > Mathieu Lirzin skribis: > >> ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: >> >>> Quiliro skribis: >>> >>>> It would be nice to create a desktop.scm file that contains all >>>> necessary packages to have a fully functional desktop installation for >>>> the end user. It is for that user that only uses the machine to write >>>> and read emails, create and read text documents and spreadsheets too. I >>>> know the current desktop.scm contain some of those features and that >>>> after that >>>> guix package --install pidgin libreoffice icecat clawsmail >>>> (and so) can provide the necessary packages. But I would like to make >>>> an installation that is just as trisquel is. It is not necessary to >>>> have the same configuration or the same packages. But it would be >>>> useful to have it as easy to just use as is Trisquel. >>> >>> The desktop example contains all of GNOME, when choosing GNOME, which >>> provides an email client, Web browser, and lots of other things. >>> >>> Additional packages like those you mention could be added to the >>> =E2=80=98packages=E2=80=99 field, in which case they will be installed = globally, like >>> the rest of GNOME. >>> >>> I wouldn=E2=80=99t recommend adding those 4 packages you mention by def= ault >>> though, because it=E2=80=99s really a matter of choice (and it=E2=80=99= s redundant with >>> what GNOME provides, I think.) >> >> I think your remark applies to pidgin and clawsmail but not to >> Libreoffice and Icecat (Firefox) which are commonly installed OOTB by >> mainstream distros (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora) along with the GNOME >> desktop. > > I=E2=80=99m not sure what we could do, though. Should the desktop example > include a comment like =E2=80=9CUncomment the following lines to add Libr= eOffice > & co.=E2=80=9D? IMHO Guix should mimic what Debian is doing in this particular case. Meaning having desktop packages that contain a =E2=80=9Cfull=E2=80=9D deskt= op with default applications for common usages. This would consist in adding =E2=80=98libreoffice=E2=80=99 and replacing = =E2=80=98epiphany=E2=80=99 with =E2=80=98icecat=E2=80=99 in the =E2=80=98gnome=E2=80=99 package. Additiona= lly a =E2=80=98gnome-core=E2=80=99 package (or =E2=80=98gnome-minimal=E2=80=99 which seems to be the name convention c= hosen by Guix) could be created with the minimal set of packages required to have a working GNOME desktop, for OCD people that don't like having unused packages installed. > This is something that the ncurses interface should make more > discoverable. That could be a solution. However even if the current target audience of Guix(SD) are tinkerer who may like options, I don't think this approach scales well to a broader audience. Thanks. --=20 Mathieu Lirzin GPG: F2A3 8D7E EB2B 6640 5761 070D 0ADE E100 9460 4D37